In defense of the Pantheon startup

[Smedy]

no pvp probably a good thing imo

all games that focus on pvp are shit for pvp, the pvp we seek are the pvp where there's no focus on pvp.

if you want games that focus on pvp you'll end up with something like warhammer, very static and impersonal where pvp is a part of the game and the daily grind.

nothing feels worse then killing someone and realising they really didnt give a fuck.

[Gustoo]

Yeah, you are 100% correct Smedy.

"Balanced" PVP is a pathetic ridiculous thing. If you want PVP balance you want street fighter, or a FPS.

A good MMO is an RPG game in an open world. A good MMO with PVP is an RPG game in an open world where people can kill one another.

Balance comes from having a group or having more players or just knowing the PVE environment better.

the LAST thing i want to see is any game that in any way considers what PVP is like on a game like WoW.

[Gustoo]

For me the whole point of PVP is the thrill of life and death, and the danger of losing a good piece of equipment and the reward of taking one.

Definitely I don't care about my PVP standing, or anything like that. I play SF4 and really like it and in a game like that it matters who you can just beat 1v1 and its a straight competition between skills and understanding different character mechanics.

An open world game can never be worth PVPing in and "balanced" in the sense that a good fighting game or FPS is. If I want to play a game where I have an honest chance at killing everyone I see, I will play an FPS which I do all the time.

But for a good RPG you need to be able to get fucked over.

Maybe we can convince braid mcwayde to make a pvp server thats just as messed up as everquest is.

[Bazia]

server was so much better with exp loss, people actually cared about dying

[Tassador]

The exp loss wasn't even that bad and exp gains are insane now. Currently Leveling a troll sk faster than I leveled a Druid on release.

[Took]

Yeah exp gains on red compared to blue is stupid.

[Gustoo]

Blue slowness not even classic. Feels extra slow. I agree tho. Item loot better motivator than exp loss tho..motivates people to kill each other while making them want to avoid death to the max.

[RoguePhantom]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue slowness not even classic. Feels extra slow. I agree tho. Item loot better motivator than exp loss tho..motivates people to kill each other while making them want to avoid death to the max.

Not when you have max No-Drop geared toons dropping bombs on people in 'bazaar gear'.

[Nirgon]

Double post:

You get your PvE rewards (xp pots) potentially FOR FREE if the kick starter doesn't meet its goal.

How have none of you picked up on this?