EverQuest Next: Landmark

[a_gnoll_pup]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe secrets was thinking it was eqn alpha? Instead of landmark alpha?

As ute put it. It's the map editor for starcraft. If you didn't enjoy designing detailed maps then landmark isn't for you. I loved starcraft, but hated the map editor. Don't be mad at them for your preference.

No, I am well aware this is EQNext: Landmark. What it isn't, though, is EverQuest. I still think they should've just called it "Landmark" as this title doesn't really have anything to do with the EQ franchise.

The direction they are going is catered to the casual player who has nothing but time and wants a stress-free, no-strings-attached gaming experience. There's only reward and no risk. If this is the direction SOE wants to go with their games I am very skeptical of it having any sort of metagame (learning to play your class, strategies such as quad kiting, etc) like EQ1 inside of EQNext based on EQNext: Landmark.

To call this a map editor is far from the truth; If it was the SC2 map editor, you'd have all the tools available and wouldn't have to play a minigame to use them. This is just a way to capitalize on casual players from other markets. I do not see anything that impresses me now (besides the tech), or for that matter, anything that I have read that is planned.

There is nothing "EQ" about this game. I hope EQNext when it's out in Alpha surprises me and they actually listen to their customers and innovate - but more importantly, LISTEN.

Otherwise, there's always Pantheon.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by a_gnoll_pup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I am well aware this is EQNext: Landmark. What it isn't, though, is EverQuest. I still think they should've just called it "Landmark" as this title doesn't really have anything to do with the EQ franchise.

You're in an EverQuest themed Minecraft. It is a development tool for EverQuest Next. Hence, EverQuest Next Landmark. If it was just "Landmark", it'd like be calling the Source SDK just SDK, or StarCraft Campaign Editor just Campaign Editor. Which campaign? What game is it a SDK of?

Originally Posted by a_gnoll_pup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The direction they are going is catered to the casual player who has nothing but time and wants a stress-free, no-strings-attached gaming experience. There's only reward and no risk. If this is the direction SOE wants to go with their games I am very skeptical of it having any sort of metagame (learning to play your class, strategies such as quad kiting, etc) like EQ1 inside of EQNext based on EQNext: Landmark.

Because Minecraft appeals to casuals. Yes. Games like Minecraft are all about risk vs reward. Here you go:

This will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YjMW5C-uI&t=9m0s

Originally Posted by a_gnoll_pup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To call this a map editor is far from the truth; If it was the SC2 map editor, you'd have all the tools available and wouldn't have to play a minigame to use them. This is just a way to capitalize on casual players from other markets. I do not see anything that impresses me now (besides the tech), or for that matter, anything that I have read that is planned.

Yeah, but you also don't play SC2 Map Editor to have a game experience, you do it strictly to build a map. EQN's development team wants players to get a Minecraft-esque experience while being able to submit creations that would one normally make in the map editor. So give players tools to have fun while creating, and they themselves will sculpt the game using their development tools in the same program, as it is their job to do massive crafting quickly.

No shit it is here to capitalize on players from another market, but get your head out of your ass and stop thinking Minecraft players are casual. Look at some of the shit they have built, just google it. There's some hardcore Minecraft players.

And they aren't even doing it for money. You pay $60 to get into the alpha, or you pay $20 to get into beta in 2 months time, or you wait until after beta and you play it *free*. You don't have to support the development team in creating their world editor, but you're a fool if you're blaming them for that.

Originally Posted by a_gnoll_pup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing "EQ" about this game. I hope EQNext when it's out in Alpha surprises me and they actually listen to their customers and innovate - but more importantly, LISTEN.

Otherwise, there's always Pantheon.

They did listen to their customers, and they looked at the market trends, and games like this in which you have creative freedom are big, and it can serve a dual purpose in developing EverQuest Next, and so we luckily got something like this. You're a fool if you are expecting Minecraft to be EverQuest or in any way a MMO experience (again, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YjMW5C-uI&t=9m40s). You're further a fool if you're expecting EQ Next to be EQ1. It wont happen. It's trying to innovate the MMO market, not backtrack. P1999 is the only classic you're getting, be happy with it.

I haven't seen a AAA developer listen more than SoE's EQN dev team currently is at any point in the past decade. /r/EQNext.

[triad]

Originally Posted by a_gnoll_pup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I am well aware this is EQNext: Landmark. What it isn't, though, is EverQuest. I still think they should've just called it "Landmark" as this title doesn't really have anything to do with the EQ franchise.

The direction they are going is catered to the casual player who has nothing but time and wants a stress-free, no-strings-attached gaming experience. There's only reward and no risk. If this is the direction SOE wants to go with their games I am very skeptical of it having any sort of metagame (learning to play your class, strategies such as quad kiting, etc) like EQ1 inside of EQNext based on EQNext: Landmark.

To call this a map editor is far from the truth; If it was the SC2 map editor, you'd have all the tools available and wouldn't have to play a minigame to use them. This is just a way to capitalize on casual players from other markets. I do not see anything that impresses me now (besides the tech), or for that matter, anything that I have read that is planned.

There is nothing "EQ" about this game. I hope EQNext when it's out in Alpha surprises me and they actually listen to their customers and innovate - but more importantly, LISTEN.

Otherwise, there's always Pantheon.

why are you still talking?

[a_gnoll_pup]

Originally Posted by triad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why are you still talking?

Because I am entitled to my opinion.

[JackFlash]

I'm interested in checking out the final game but the minecraft/creation part is definitely not for me!

I'm sure they will have a similar beta for EQN. Beta registration for EQN is already open.

[deezy]

Minecraft has plenty of hardcores. I once helped run a fairly large server a while back. That shit can get pretty stressful at times. If it ends up being anything close to minecraft you're going to start seeing people fight over resources and try to kill each other with whatever means they have available.

[whitebandit]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Minecraft has plenty of hardcores. I once helped run a fairly large server a while back. That shit can get pretty stressful at times. If it ends up being anything close to minecraft you're going to start seeing people fight over resources and try to kill each other with whatever means they have available.

i can NOT fucking wait for PVP in landmark :-p

[Swish]

Originally Posted by whitebandit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i can NOT fucking wait for PVP in landmark :-p

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[Lune]

You folks know this game is in alpha and it's already pay to win, right? Not even Planetside 2-level Pay2NotGrind, it's full blown 'pay US dollars for in game advantages'.

Don't get me wrong, a lot about this looks great, but I hope you enjoy having your discipline insulted by a coercive price model.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You folks know this game is in alpha and it's already pay to win, right? Not even Planetside 2-level Pay2NotGrind, it's full blown 'pay US dollars for in game advantages'.

Don't get me wrong, a lot about this looks great, but I hope you enjoy having your discipline insulted by a coercive price model.

How's this? What's going on now is testing for alpha, and none of the stuff we're doing right now is going to translate into the free game. You're paying to play early, not for ingame advantages. The closest thing to an honest advantage you get is the 10% boost to resource gathering, but that's Pay2NotGrind, as you describe it, as all it does is lower the grind requirement.

I am just curious how it is you justify this being called pay to win? In the first point, it's kind of funny that you assign such a model given games like this and Minecraft don't have a winning category (See: www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YjMW5C-uI&t=9m40s). Secondly, the only thing you purchased is early access into a testing alpha, which is no different than the hundreds of other games like that, including Prison Architect, Planetary Annihilation, Rust, etc., the pay2notgrind ring, and a bunch of cosmetic items.