New Raid Rules question - how would "unguilded" pickup raids be handled?

[Aaron]

Rogean already answered conundrum anyway:

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[falkun]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that no person in a raid guild would ever tag along with a casual guild or vice-versa. That is where the grey area comes in.

Still no grey area:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to get into specifics about how our system works but it was designed with a small amount of leniency for a player or two getting aggro and not locking their guild out, provided it was a failed FTE attempt or accidental aggro.

Guilds are still strongly advised to follow the rules of FTE. Let a mob reset before engaging. If you don't have the FTE shout, don't engage it.

Don't tag along. Let the little guys "earn" their way up. You can assist without getting on the aggro list. If one guy messes up, looks like you might be OK. But a group of TMO helping out a guild on Faydedar might get TMO in trouble. Just don't do it.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are Class C (no one has a designation for this first spawn), you cannot drop to Class R without CSR approval.

How does one go about doing that just /petition or does Rogean need to be consulted is there any kind of time limit or can you/guild be left in lingo forever

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any guild that kills a class R target becomes an "R" guild if they were not already. They will not be allowed to kill the target again for two spawns.

I missed the two spawn thing could you give me a link please

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you trying to rules lawyer? The outcomes are all covered there.

Trying to clarify things not lawyer, people do not want to get banned and need to know their options.

Since EVERYTHING is changing

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no grey area:

Don't tag along. Let the little guys "earn" their way up. You can assist without getting on the aggro list. If one guy messes up, looks like you might be OK. But a group of TMO helping out a guild on Faydedar might get TMO in trouble. Just don't do it.

I don't understand how you can keep saying that there is no grey area and then say something "might" get them in trouble. The word "might" IS the grey area...

[falkun]

Link: www.project1999.org/raid.php
Its the same link Sirken's posted in Raid discussion.
Guilds moving to R from C will likely go through the raid discussion forum, that board dedicated to raid discussion (which is what a status change is, a raid discussion). If you are not a guild leader, I wouldn't worry about it. If you are, PM CSR staff (Rogean, Sirken, Deruberael) if you want to move from C to R.
If you are worried about the clarity, stop trying to rules lawyer. If you think you can't do it, don't do it. "Better safe than sorry."

[falkun]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how you can keep saying that there is no grey area and then say something "might" get them in trouble. The word "might" IS the grey area...

I say "might" because CSR never posted punishments, only that you "may not" do it. If you get caught, punishment is TBD. I'm not CSR, so I'm not attempting to answer what the punishment will be. However, the rule is the rule, enforcement gets into rules lawyering. Asking about "might" is asking about the enforcement, not the rule.

[JayN]

yea this making a lot of sense..... so dont raid if you dont know is my default.

So right now can you or not have alts in different guild that are raiding and raid on all your characters? ?

Or must you be in only one raiding guild with all your toons if you want to raid?

[fastboy21]

It isn't rules lawyering...when you say that it connotes to me someone is trying to find a loop hole in the wording of the rules that goes against the purpose/spirit of them.

There are folks who will be accused of breaking the rules when they sincerely did not mean to do so...they aren't rules lawyering, they are just playing to have fun and "might" get into trouble. Asking for clarification on undefined areas isn't malicious or exploitative necessarily.

[falkun]

CSR has stated they do not condone creating alt guilds for raiding additional targets. They have not stated the punishments once discovered. They have not stated how they will know (trust me, they can find out). Just don't do it and hopefully we'll never need to find out.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea this making a lot of sense..... so dont raid if you dont know is my default.

So right now can you or not have alts in different guild that are raiding and raid on all your characters? ?

Or must you be in only one raiding guild with all your toons if you want to raid?

if your alt is well geared with magic resist gear and levels, willing to attend raids/earn DKP and go through the recruit period to successfully get voted in then if you are really sneaky and good at covering your tracks you are welcome to app :P