New Raid Rules question - how would "unguilded" pickup raids be handled?

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its hardly grey area. A pick-up can kill any FFA spawn without any repercussions (whether FFA by spawn or by 6-hr rule). Considering every mob will be FFA every 3 spawns, plus those that move FFA afte r6 hours, pick-ups can raid at least as often as C's and R's, if not more often.

You're assuming that no person in a raid guild would ever tag along with a casual guild or vice-versa. That is where the grey area comes in.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that no person in a raid guild would ever tag along with a casual guild or vice-versa. That is where the grey area comes in.

Still no grey area:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to get into specifics about how our system works but it was designed with a small amount of leniency for a player or two getting aggro and not locking their guild out, provided it was a failed FTE attempt or accidental aggro.

Guilds are still strongly advised to follow the rules of FTE. Let a mob reset before engaging. If you don't have the FTE shout, don't engage it.

Don't tag along. Let the little guys "earn" their way up. You can assist without getting on the aggro list. If one guy messes up, looks like you might be OK. But a group of TMO helping out a guild on Faydedar might get TMO in trouble. Just don't do it.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no grey area:

Don't tag along. Let the little guys "earn" their way up. You can assist without getting on the aggro list. If one guy messes up, looks like you might be OK. But a group of TMO helping out a guild on Faydedar might get TMO in trouble. Just don't do it.

I don't understand how you can keep saying that there is no grey area and then say something "might" get them in trouble. The word "might" IS the grey area...

[falkun]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how you can keep saying that there is no grey area and then say something "might" get them in trouble. The word "might" IS the grey area...

I say "might" because CSR never posted punishments, only that you "may not" do it. If you get caught, punishment is TBD. I'm not CSR, so I'm not attempting to answer what the punishment will be. However, the rule is the rule, enforcement gets into rules lawyering. Asking about "might" is asking about the enforcement, not the rule.

[Yaolin]

If your guild can't kill a raid mob then...

• Join up to kill it with another guild.
• Recruit and grow.

If you're in a guild that has no interest in the raid scene and you do...

• Leave your guild and join another one.

These seem to be pretty simple and straightforward ideas.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild can't kill a raid mob then...

• Join up to kill it with another guild.
• Recruit and grow.

If you're in a guild that has no interest in the raid scene...

• Leave your guild and join another one.

These seem to be pretty simple and straightforward ideas.

Lol that was the natural flow chart for people who'm wanted to raid; now not so much!

Any guild can go into restricted no, new or not?

[falkun]

If you are Class C (no one has a designation for this first spawn), you cannot drop to Class R without CSR approval.
Any guild that kills a class R target becomes an "R" guild if they were not already. They will not be allowed to kill the target again for two spawns.

What are you trying to rules lawyer? The outcomes are all covered there.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are Class C (no one has a designation for this first spawn), you cannot drop to Class R without CSR approval.

How does one go about doing that just /petition or does Rogean need to be consulted is there any kind of time limit or can you/guild be left in lingo forever

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any guild that kills a class R target becomes an "R" guild if they were not already. They will not be allowed to kill the target again for two spawns.

I missed the two spawn thing could you give me a link please

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you trying to rules lawyer? The outcomes are all covered there.

Trying to clarify things not lawyer, people do not want to get banned and need to know their options.

Since EVERYTHING is changing

[Yaolin]

Lol that was the natural flow chart for people who'm wanted to raid; now not so much!

It's still the flowchart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] and raiding is now a billion times more accessible and will not make people want to play Russian Roulette with a full chamber.

[Aaron]

Rogean already answered conundrum anyway:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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