Doraf Proposal - Comments from the Unwashed Masses

[Pan]

Originally Posted by doraf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The entire bit is demoralizing, but that's what happens when you put a bunch of Type A personalities into a forum and tell them to "negotiate."

Agree. Add to the mix that we never got the definition of a consensus, who actually has a vote (1 guild one vote or gms/T1(for want of better term)/T2(see previous)), what an acceptable fix is, who the arbiter is (was GMs for a while, then Rog stepped in), etc.

Tough tough tough to negotiate anything meaningful under those ambiguous conditions as we've seen.

If I Ran the Circus (see Dr. Seuss here), I'd have laid out the negotiating constraints/construct in advance.

If I were in charge of negotiating, I'd get together with my fellow negotiators and push this issue before I did much more negotiating/shitflinging/hoping/etc.

Just my .02. YMMV.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree. Add to the mix that we never got the definition of a consensus, who actually has a vote (1 guild one vote or gms/T1(for want of better term)/T2(see previous)), what an acceptable fix is, who the arbiter is (was GMs for a while, then Rog stepped in), etc.

Tough tough tough to negotiate anything meaningful under those ambiguous conditions as we've seen.

If I Ran the Circus (see Dr. Seuss here), I'd have laid out the negotiating constraints/construct in advance.

If I were in charge of negotiating, I'd get together with my fellow negotiators and push this issue before I did much more negotiating/shitflinging/hoping/etc.

Just my .02. YMMV.

They (Rogean mainly) dont care they are trolling the raiders, they would have done something by now; like Sirken tried to do.

this is just trolling

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was a dirty whore there for awhile. But I saw the writing on the wall and snagged him before account trade ban went into effect. Always planned on him being a perma buy instead of an investment.

Guised Iksar shaman w/ AoN is just too sexy.

Bob and his insider trading.

Speaking of...

How you feeling about a donals nerf with velious launch? Think we'll get 2 patches or just one big rape on velious launch?

[citizen1080]

I think (and hope) that Donals Bp will be nerfed on launch. It will trivialize Velious content.

And there is precedent for this when they nerfed BD resist gear as it would have trivialized Velious as well. (though that may be a little different as it was put into game before it should have been)

However, classically speaking there should be no where near as many Donals BP's in rotation...so we will see what King Nilbog decides.

Summary:

If I had a Donals BP, I would have already sold it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think (and hope) that Donals Bp will be nerfed on launch. It will trivialize Velious content.

And there is precedent for this when they nerfed BD resist gear as it would have trivialized Velious as well. (though that may be a little different as it was put into game before it should have been)

However, classically speaking there should be no where near as many Donals BP's in rotation...so we will see what King Nilbog decides.

Summary:

If I had a Donals BP, I would have already sold it.

I wonder if bob has enough pull with market decisions to cause a great donals bp sell-off. I'm worried, really. It's just...it'll be the most insane item to have if it isn't wrecked. If it is, it won't be worth the metal it's stamped out of [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Ugh. It's also a matter of how close velious is...also unknown!

[Splorf22]

Also Bob, to get your thread back on target.

I don't hate Doraf's proposal. I think repops do a lot to make competition more palatable. But at the same time, I would really like to see a certain amount of carebear reinjected into the raid scene. EQ Live during this period was in no way as nasty as things are now, and I think any real fix to the raid scene has to include some restrictions so people don't go fucking nuts.

Anyway I think Rogean and Nilbog have pretty much decided on the 1/1/1 plan at this point, so anything we say is fairly academic.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Bob, to get your thread back on target.

I don't hate Doraf's proposal. I think repops do a lot to make competition more palatable. But at the same time, I would really like to see a certain amount of carebear reinjected into the raid scene. EQ Live during this period was in no way as nasty as things are now, and I think any real fix to the raid scene has to include some restrictions so people don't go fucking nuts.

Anyway I think Rogean and Nilbog have pretty much decided on the 1/1/1 plan at this point, so anything we say is fairly academic.

Big Heallun called this weeks back. We were never given the terms of how negotiations would work. How votes would work. Because in the end they were going to do what they wanted to anyway.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I should have kept that account for Velious.

Iksar shaman is pretty hard to beat imo with all the sexy all/all gear


WTB Vindi BP - Pst

Originally Posted by Splorff22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Bob, to get your thread back on target.

I don't hate Doraf's proposal. I think repops do a lot to make competition more palatable. But at the same time, I would really like to see a certain amount of carebear reinjected into the raid scene. EQ Live during this period was in no way as nasty as things are now, and I think any real fix to the raid scene has to include some restrictions so people don't go fucking nuts.

Anyway I think Rogean and Nilbog have pretty much decided on the 1/1/1 plan at this point, so anything we say is fairly academic.

You are most likely right that it is academic at this point. However, I am not a fan of rotations really. I don't hate them, but given the choice I would rather race for mobs during a repop than log on a 2pm sunday to walk in and burn down VS in 30 seconds.

Granted either scenario is a huge step forward for the server compared to the old system.

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Bob, to get your thread back on target.

I don't hate Doraf's proposal. I think repops do a lot to make competition more palatable. But at the same time, I would really like to see a certain amount of carebear reinjected into the raid scene. EQ Live during this period was in no way as nasty as things are now, and I think any real fix to the raid scene has to include some restrictions so people don't go fucking nuts.

Anyway I think Rogean and Nilbog have pretty much decided on the 1/1/1 plan at this point, so anything we say is fairly academic.

Splorf, PM me ideas that you have or I can jump into your vent or you can hop into ours. I think we both access to the mumble as well. Let's try and come up with something that benefits the server w/o totally trashing it in the long run.

[Vyal]

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