Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Splorf22]

So in practice this would mean that TMO and FE/IB would leave up Talendor, Severilious, Nagafen, Vox, Gorenaire, Faydedar, and Trakanon the first week of each month, while still taking CT, VS, Inny, and VP? So that's about 1/8 of all mobs to the casual carebear scum, and weighted towards the worst . . . not that unreasonable IMO.

The two hour rule would be a de facto rotation between FE/IB and TMO, but if Taken/BDA/Divinity etc wanted to track/batphone/poopsock something they'd only be competing against one of the two, which would improve their chances . . . also not that unreasonable IMO.

I feel like real solutions have to be mechanics changes though.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in practice this would mean that TMO and FE/IB would leave up Talendor, Severilious, Nagafen, Vox, Gorenaire, Faydedar, and Trakanon the first week of each month, while still taking CT, VS, Inny, and VP? So that's about 1/8 of all mobs to the casual carebear scum, and weighted towards the worst . . . not that unreasonable IMO.

The two hour rule would be a de facto rotation between FE/IB and TMO, but if Taken/BDA/Divinity etc wanted to track/batphone/poopsock something they'd only be competing against one of the two, which would improve their chances . . . also not that unreasonable IMO.

I feel like real solutions have to be mechanics changes though.

No we would leave 2 of those targets listed a month and 4 dracos. VS/Trak/CT/VP will still be competition so they are free to fight for FTE on those also.

[Ungriim]

Alarti - I'm sure that some people would love it and some would hate it. Current raiders would be upset that they cant get as much as they want, and probably form side guilds with silly names to grab more dragons. Has to be a happy medium

Splorf - In alarti's proposition yes. In mine it would potentially start off as IBFE/TMO getting all the mobs the first month (norm) then taking a week off from world spawns outside VP, then see from there how it is played...

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti - I'm sure that some people would love it and some would hate it. Current raiders would be upset that they cant get as much as they want, and probably form side guilds with silly names to grab more dragons. Has to be a happy medium

Splorf - In alarti's proposition yes. In mine it would potentially start off as IBFE/TMO getting all the mobs the first month (norm) then taking a week off from world spawns outside VP, then see from there how it is played...

Silly side guilds can be named/shamed on the front page or banned for raid agreement evasion(gm enforced implied by rogean)

[Derubael]

2 hr/1 mob rule is just a rotation between fe/ib and tmo. It's a good start, and works well while tmo is raid suspended, but its going to be those two groups trading mobs once tmo is back and everyone knows it.

alarti's proposal is good. if fe/ib would agree to it, it means you can still have competition, but lets the 'casual scum' (you guys crack me up) compete with other 'casual scum' and have lots of fun while doing it.

I think you guys all need to come to some sort of agreement on your own, but from where I'm sitting, this is a reasonable concession that looks good on paper and would probably look good in practice.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 hr/1 mob rule is just a rotation between fe/ib and tmo. It's a good start, and works well while tmo is raid suspended, but its going to be those two groups trading mobs once tmo is back and everyone knows it.

alarti's proposal is good. if fe/ib would agree to it, it means you can still have competition, but lets the 'casual scum' (you guys crack me up) compete with other 'casual scum' and have lots of fun while doing it.

I think you guys all need to come to some sort of agreement on your own, but from where I'm sitting, this is a reasonable concession that looks good on paper and would probably look good in practice.

Thanks deru !

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 hr/1 mob rule is just a rotation between fe/ib and tmo. It's a good start, and works well while tmo is raid suspended, but its going to be those two groups trading mobs once tmo is back and everyone knows it.

alarti's proposal is good. if fe/ib would agree to it, it means you can still have competition, but lets the 'casual scum' (you guys crack me up) compete with other 'casual scum' and have lots of fun while doing it.

I think you guys all need to come to some sort of agreement on your own, but from where I'm sitting, this is a reasonable concession that looks good on paper and would probably look good in practice.

I'd like to suggest that the draco/sev/tal/etc mobs that get left up are the FIRST spawns of the month so that there is no confusion or silly counting. When the clock ticks over to 12:00 AM est on the first of the month, those next spawns are left up for 24 hours for the "casual" guilds. If they are still up 24 hours after pop they become open to anyone. If a guild kills 2nd spawn onward in the month then they remove themselves from the casual pool. So if guild X kills Trak, or Inny, or what ever later in the month then they are not eligible for the first spawn of the next month being left up for at least 24 hours for the casuals.

VS/Trak/CT/VP remain competitive.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to suggest that the draco/sev/tal/etc mobs that get left up are the FIRST spawns of the month so that there is no confusion or silly counting. When the clock ticks over to 12:00 AM est on the first of the month, those next spawns are left up for 24 hours for the "casual" guilds. If they are still up 24 hours after pop they become open to anyone. If a guild kills 2nd spawn onward in the month then they remove themselves from the casual pool. So if guild X kills Trak, or Inny, or what ever later in the month then they are not eligible for the first spawn of the next month being left up for at least 24 hours for the casuals.

VS/Trak/CT/VP remain competitive.

Since some of the more casual folks seem bent on having a rotation, they could try and work out a rotation for the first spawns of every month if they so desire.

[Ungriim]

So Alarti's response to Rogean's post of:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds.

Is to leave it the same. Ok, you can stop posting now.

[lazcar]

No reason BDA/ taken should be locked out of trak/vs/ct/inny they can obviously kill them. Whatever new raid policy should have them included on kills for these top mobs.