T99 and Item Loot Poll

[Lowlife]

imagine the bards running buckwild when people wear cloth and shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiB9LQzeRK0

[SamwiseRed]

gonna even less melees than we have now i know that for sure. gonna be gank city.

[Kergan]

Another reason item loot is rough is because a wizard for example, can do the exact same damage over a short period of time (enough to drop someone especially in a small group) bear ass naked as they can fully VP geared.

A warrior on the other hand using nothing but a 2her has not only his/her damage output cut down significantly due to loss of stats, but their survivability and ability to avoid being CC'd is limited significantly as well.

Essentially, the risk vs. reward is highly tilted towards casters.

[Tikku82]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another reason item loot is rough is because a wizard for example, can do the exact same damage over a short period of time (enough to drop someone especially in a small group) bear ass naked as they can fully VP geared.

A warrior on the other hand using nothing but a 2her has not only his/her damage output cut down significantly due to loss of stats, but their survivability and ability to avoid being CC'd is limited significantly as well.

Essentially, the risk vs. reward is highly tilted towards casters.

Good point. Probably 70-80% of the playerbase will roll a caster. Simply because items wont matter that much.

Personally not into item looting that much. Should go towards original SZ rules except from team balance. Coin loot would be fine.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Tikku82 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good point. Probably 70-80% of the playerbase will roll a caster. Simply because items wont matter that much.

I'd be interested to see the level 52+ class breakdowns on each server. I'd be willing to bet that R99 has a much higher percentage of casters than P99. An item loot T99 would push it even higher.

That being said, a geared melee with some clickies can absolutely wreck a caster in seconds in the Kunark era.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be interested to see the level 52+ class breakdowns on each server. I'd be willing to bet that R99 has a much higher percentage of casters than P99. An item loot T99 would push it even higher.

That being said, a geared melee with some clickies can absolutely wreck a caster in seconds in the Kunark era.

could just /who all count classnamegoeshere

[Vexenu]

Item loot = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down. Server is more dead than Red within months.

To be blunt, "for science" is a stupid fucking attitude. I get that it's nilbog's box to play with, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. It's like if Wal-Mart ran a special where half the customers got their items for free and the other half got stabbed in the face by the cashier. Who the fuck is gonna shop there?

If nilbog wants a Teams server with item loot, that's his prerogative, but any type of item loot is going to turn away a ton of potential players right off the bat. The server would only reach a fraction of its potential. It seems very short-sighted to go to the trouble of making a new server only to cripple it with item loot, which is one of the most universally unpopular features in EQ. There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

[Lowlife]

w/e man bring it

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down. Server is more dead than Red within months.

To be blunt, "for science" is a stupid fucking attitude. I get that it's nilbog's box to play with, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. It's like if Wal-Mart ran a special where half the customers got their items for free and the other half got stabbed in the face by the cashier. Who the fuck is gonna shop there?

If nilbog wants a Teams server with item loot, that's his prerogative, but any type of item loot is going to turn away a ton of potential players right off the bat. The server would only reach a fraction of its potential. It seems very short-sighted to go to the trouble of making a new server only to cripple it with item loot, which is one of the most universally unpopular features in EQ. There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

[SamwiseRed]

if its not gonna be classic just release it now so we can start the grief.