Training in Veeshan's peak?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The pathing is bad, it's impossible!" -argument is still the silliest part every time this is brought up. There are two kinds of broken pathing:

A) No pathing nodes, as such mobs run through everything and get to the players awful easy, warp through stuff, fall under world or attack you through walls (see: 95% of emu servers). This is the bad kind of pathing that makes things really obnoxious to deal with and is really bad.
B) Mobs run around nodes and frequently loop back and forth in simple slopes and usually take decades to reach wherever they're supposed to be heading at, if they even do manage to get there at any point (see: p99 VP). This is the xploity kind of pathing that is actually beneficial and makes crap far easier to deal with.

Also,
- Trak/juggs will be on the competing raid prty much every time when one raid wipes or screws up.
- CT is a disaster of DT cycles and nonstop lag + trains.
- Inny is raid forces trying to repeatedly pull inny and his pals to zonein and try to zerg the big guy down before wiping, repeat killing everyone until someone succeeds.

All of these encounters in their current state are far, FAR more of a mess than CSR VP could ever hope to be. Mobs have miniscule aggro ranges, you have to be in range of the dragons for them to use their AE, there are plenties of camps to set your raid up at so everyone isn't ontop of each other at zonein, the zone is small enough for relatively quick and painless pulls. TMO ofc wants to paint VP as this horrifying abomination of death and dismay that in no way can support multi guild presence. Hate/Fear are for more of an example of that and no one's whining about them. They just want their dragons easy.

Dumbest Brut couldnt have written this. Who wrote it?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The pathing is bad, it's impossible!" -argument is still the silliest part every time this is brought up. There are two kinds of broken pathing:

A) No pathing nodes, as such mobs run through everything and get to the players awful easy, warp through stuff, fall under world or attack you through walls (see: 95% of emu servers). This is the bad kind of pathing that makes things really obnoxious to deal with and is really bad.
B) Mobs run around nodes and frequently loop back and forth in simple slopes and usually take decades to reach wherever they're supposed to be heading at, if they even do manage to get there at any point (see: p99 VP). This is the xploity kind of pathing that is actually beneficial and makes crap far easier to deal with.

Also,
- Trak/juggs will be on the competing raid prty much every time when one raid wipes or screws up.
- CT is a disaster of DT cycles and nonstop lag + trains.
- Inny is raid forces trying to repeatedly pull inny and his pals to zonein and try to zerg the big guy down before wiping, repeat killing everyone until someone succeeds.

All of these encounters in their current state are far, FAR more of a mess than CSR VP could ever hope to be. Mobs have miniscule aggro ranges, you have to be in range of the dragons for them to use their AE, there are plenties of camps to set your raid up at so everyone isn't ontop of each other at zonein, the zone is small enough for relatively quick and painless pulls. TMO ofc wants to paint VP as this horrifying abomination of death and dismay that in no way can support multi guild presence. Hate/Fear are for more of an example of that and no one's whining about them. They just want their dragons easy.

A) Applies to VP.

As much as some people can't seem to handle juggs it is very easy not to aggro them or to train them on another raid.

CT's DT cycle has been broken for months. Also, the trains are completely avoidable it just seems some guilds want to stack on other or run trains through their camps. Those are player decisions not faulty zone mechanics.

[Brut]

The guy playing a wizard that sits outside until mob is at entrance is telling us how pulling in VP works now?

Sure, crap can be pulled right through walls if you do it properly, but that's another beneficial thing. It doesn't happen at random, it happens when you work for it to happen.

Just doesn't work as an argument that the zone is unplayable for multiple raid forces due to bad pathing since the bad pathing is actually making the zone easier.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy playing a wizard that sits outside until mob is at entrance is telling us how pulling in VP works now?

Sure, crap can be pulled right through walls if you do it properly, but that's another beneficial thing. It doesn't happen at random, it happens when you work for it to happen.

Just doesn't work as an argument that the zone is unplayable for multiple raid forces due to bad pathing since the bad pathing is actually making the zone easier.

I only have 1 character...... Nice try!

Also, it does happen in random. Maybe if you were in VP even half as often as I was you would notice this. Since we are using logical fallacies to support our arguments.

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nonsense drivel / outright lies

Pulled mobs around there plenty enough to get the idea, the fatter dragons just take long time to reach their target since they get stuck running back and forth every now and then.

The right answer was B. Take test again next week.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember some thread awhile back about this issue, Nilbog has posted some interesting things in this thread on the red server chat :

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...126897&page=17

Pretty much it seems theres an opening about making Veeshan's peak a normal raid zone with no trains involved.

How does everybody here feels about having a shot @ old world/kunark content while the top guilds have to take down veeshan's peak dragons on repops?

+1

And this is coming from someone who clearly enjoys training in VP.

[Motec]

No training pls.

I live for it. Do not like though. Can't we just get along.

[Cecily]

Pulls through the walls just happen... Those aren't desirable either. Dragons randomly popping in behind your raid add a ton of chaos to an otherwise trivial fight.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pulls through the walls just happen... Those aren't desirable either. Dragons randomly popping in behind your raid add a ton of chaos to an otherwise trivial fight.

LOL

Please leave this discussion to people who pull the mobs; you really have no clue what you are talking about. I can consistently pull pretty much every mob through any wall in VP; it is not something that 'just happens' much the same as TMOs (read: Zeelots) PD pulls through entrance wall solo that were the basis of every TMO PD kill 6 months ago did not 'just happen'.

When I pulled PD over the world to the circle room ledge; or when Zeelot and Darkdeath kept pulling Nexona on us on a magic carpet ride through the air to the same spot, it was not by accident.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL

Please leave this discussion to people who pull the mobs; you really have no clue what you are talking about. I can consistently pull pretty much every mob through any wall in VP; it is not something that 'just happens' much the same as TMOs (read: Zeelots) PD pulls through entrance wall solo that were the basis of every TMO PD kill 6 months ago did not 'just happen'.

When I pulled PD over the world to the circle room ledge; or when Zeelot and Darkdeath kept pulling Nexona on us on a magic carpet ride through the air to the same spot, it was not by accident.

Yep, the ledge is NO different then any other location in VP except it is kinda safe from player made trains.