PVP Talks tonight decide Red99 fate

[NotKringe]

Originally Posted by abacab-winner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nihlium didn't ALWAYS have a zerg force capable of doing that, that was formed over time because Nihlium was waay more devoted, organized, and didn't have a caustic group of players dedicated to griefing as its core.

You got gun smoked not in PvP, you just got out-classed, out-lead, out-raided.

The server has nothing to do with out-classed, out-lead, out-raided... There was a point in time where we had the resilience to endure the grind + Level/Gear advantage they had over us, coupled along with the fact that bringing everyone "Not in Nihilum" together to fight them and push raid timers back more along our prime time... Needless to say Abacab you cannot beat the guy who "controls the server switch".. Call it a coincidence or a pure fluke, but reseting the server 3 times within a few week period that we adamantly thrived to push raid times more so in line with times we could get competitive numbers on for to have that time consistently altered due to these "All of a Sudden" Server has to be reset shit, was enough to let me and several others know right then and there, OK.... No matter how hard you try, there is a Zero % chance of winning when the server will just consistently get reset to further accommodate our Non - Peak time... That my friend is what we call a no win situation and in situations like that we just opt to bail out...

There is no one who can beat the man who controls the switch... Plain and simple.
Like I have said a 100times, I honestly don't think Rogean cares about Nihilum, but try explaining that to 25 other people in TS... It's just a no brainer.

Stasis, is pretty spot on about the rest of his points.. Hopefully this open ended discussion tonight can provide some insight.

[lite]

Apply Variance to Kunark era. I've said it once, I will say it again and even members of Nihilum such as Heartbrand have stated it. Kunark is made to kill any chances for a second guild. Its structure is monopoly heaven.

Nihilum essentially had all their guild VP keyed basically while everyone else was just joining the server leveling up, and getting to know one another in order to set up a second guild. They have done a good job at being consistent and capitalizing on their first to arrive. Throwing massive numbers and picking anyone they could, with the promise of, you won't get anything unless you join us.

They played the game as others in their situation would and prospered. Which is good for them, but awful for the box. And I highly doubt what we've witnessed over the last year was the intended results of a red server.

I think the idea of wiping the box clean is a bit radical. I could care less about a gear advantage. I've always played to take the roughest path that can be provided to me. People have very little faith and they quit, get discouraged, split up, or just join the only place they think they will witness progression.

Noone is asking for a handout that will make it sure they get mad loots every week. They are just asking for a chance at more than one fight per week. Long drawn out battles over the expectation range of a spawn. Who the fuck wouldn't log on to kill one week's content in 3 hours. Noone's tenacity has been tested here, the red experience has been trivialized to who can bring a bigger army on the 7th day. After the role I've taken upon over the last year, take it with a grain of salt from me. Variance is the only chance.

[runlvlzero]

Instance VP.

[lite]

eww

[abacab-winner]

80% of Nihlium's core CHOSE to be in Nihlium they aren't the founders of the guild or the founders alts, they saw Nizzar slaying a few dragons and decided they want loot too and joined up, it only sealed the deal when any opposition to Nihlium is a disorganized train-wreck of narcissists, trolls and faggots that can't keep a guild going for more than a month much less muster the coordination to do a basic planes clear.

[lite]

Or innoruk during a hate cleanup....In order to monopolize a mob, you'd have to have a force there for 24+ hours at all time as leaving an afk Tracker in this server is not an option. Then it becomes a fight of who wants it more. Who is willing to hold zone control to wait for this mob. That is real EQ. Not this candyland bullshit that people have gotten so used to, sync your watches. win.

[abacab-winner]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or innoruk during a hate cleanup....In order to monopolize a mob, you'd have to have a force there for 24+ hours at all time as leaving an afk Tracker in this server is not an option. Then it becomes a fight of who wants it more. Who is willing to hold zone control to wait for this mob. That is real EQ. Not this candyland bullshit that people have gotten so used to, sync your watches. win.

Real EQ had a population burgeoning over 2k per server, with multiple guilds in every time zone; fuck most mobs were sniped at 4 AM by Chinese guilds pre-PoP. You don't have that here, most people playing are on the east-coast and the population is sub-200... It's never going to be like live or how "real EQ" was because to be honest you're playing a totally different game that has the same content as EQ.

[lite]

There hasn't been a point in time when Nihilum didn't have superior numbers. Except during that week when we took all mobs from them. But I am not looking to get into an argument over who did what, and why the other guild didn't succeed. Ect. I am simply interested in providing a solution to the present state of affairs. You are taking this thread in an awful direction, this is not the intended purpose.

[abacab-winner]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There hasn't been a point in time when Nihilum didn't have superior numbers. Except during that week when we took all mobs from them. But I am not looking to get into an argument over who did what, and why the other guild didn't succeed. Ect. I am simply interested in providing a solution to the present state of affairs. You are taking this thread in an awful direction, this is not the intended purpose.

I'd say deal with it.

You're suffering because Chewie is too busy coining noobs in Guk, you're suffering because people would rather twink toons and roll Unrest; you have had the potential of forming a sizable opposition countless of times; but sadly the only people you can muster for your opposition are 3rd-stringer VZ/TZ rejects that didn't make the Torrent/TDT cut before the box dropped for the final time.

Essentially the only people you have to choose for the good fight are a bunch of losers that only know how to pad numbers and screenshot kills with their gank squads, that have never even attempted mass PvP on any scale outside a 5v1 SolB gankfest.

You're bound to lose anyway, even if you had the numbers and the gear.

[lite]

Originally Posted by abacab-winner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd say deal with it.

You're suffering because Chewie is too busy coining noobs in Guk, you're suffering because people would rather twink toons and roll Unrest; you have had the potential of forming a sizable opposition countless of times; but sadly the only people you can muster for your opposition are 3rd-stringer VZ/TZ rejects that didn't make the Torrent/TDT cut before the box dropped for the final time.

Essentially the only people you have to choose for the good fight are a bunch of losers that only know how to pad numbers and screenshot kills with their gank squads, that have never even attempted mass PvP on any scale outside a 5v1 SolB gankfest.

You're bound to lose anyway, even if you had the numbers and the gear.

It seems like you are more interested in pointing fingers and stating your opinion, than proposing ideas to improve the environment. I really want to keep this thread clean dude. Tonight's events are unprecedented, and the GM's could make this box which we've all grown to like ... playable.