A regular and casual raiding day on P99.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask him yourself if it will make you happy, the GMs have seen and know about at least 3 different guilds pulling Innoruuk/Maestro to zone in

Why is it that TMO can pull Maestro and 20+ mobs to zone in WHEN THEY KNOW another guild is there, effictively training/wiping the other guild while they just kill Maestro and log? How is that not intentional training?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it that TMO can pull Maestro and 20+ mobs to zone in WHEN THEY KNOW another guild is there, effictively training/wiping the other guild while they just kill Maestro and log? How is that not intentional training?

"intentional" requires intent to train. Accidents happen, bad pulls happen, the streams get crossed.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but Ambrotos is the server GM. Please show where a developer or Server GM says it is ok to pull CT or Innorruk to the zone-in. Because here is where Ambrotos, the SERVER GM, says it's not ok:

***Hilariously, the entire post has been removed, with nothing to redefine or replace it. http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...postcount=1***

What the FUCK is happening on P99?!

You do know that Ambrotos stepped down as Server GM back in October right?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=86302

Sirken is the current Server GM.
Ambrotos is a Senior Guide now.

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where in there does it say that Ambrotos was demoted or that Sirken was promoted?

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

See ninja edit link. ^

[Brut]

If only we had a page in the forums that thoroughly explained this "Intentional or not"-aspect of training.

Originally Posted by http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2651

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

If you happen to accidentally train a group of players, please immedietely notify the staff via /petition that you have done so by accident. Apologize to the players in question, and assist them with any recovery needed. If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).

Oh.

Also last paragraph is mostly practiced by the trainer /oocing "stop crying" after his train has wiped the other raid. Guess that's a form of apology to some.

[Beaniron]

TMO considers raid rotation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

Also, how is it that TMO is frequently accused of deliberately training competition in zones that they're raiding in and they never get punished for it?

[Tecmos Deception]

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[Ele]

The original Ambrotos thread, July 8, 2012, outlawing pulling Inny/Maestro out of their rooms and Draco/CT from their spawn/roaming areas was located here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=668665

It appears to have been deleted/locked/moved since then.

[falkun]

Enslaved, the post was removed because its no longer applicable. When nothing has been defined for it, you are to revert to posted server rules. Since server rules allow pulling raid mobs to alternate locations, Inny is allowed to be pulled to zone-in (as long as the puller does not kite nor train which are other possible infractions).

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be totally ok as long as it wasn't just completely conviniented-in at an opportune time. Where is the log for the rule change, where it became non-applicable? Because otherwise all we have is a stealth rules "fix" that benefits certain groups due to its apparent inaccessibility.

I will comment that GMs are fairly understanding of new groups joining the raid scene. If you wish to commit fully to the douchebaggery of the raid scene, just start doing it. Pull bosses, kill them. You'll break a few rules, you might get a short suspension (1-2 weeks is nothing in the grand scheme), you'll learn the rules quickly. Your chances of getting banned for attempting a raid boss are very small. You will learn more about the raid scene and yourself attempting to exist in it than you ever could reading what is and is not allowed within it.