This would help guilds to raid

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we were talking about a paid game, with GM's that could be paid to take crap and kick ass, sure. But no way in hell does anyone on a volunteer staff need to be available 24/7 to beat mainly adults with a crowbar.

I cannot be convinced that anyone on this project should spend more of their time policing the players.

It's not about time taken, it's about enforcing the rules more heavily. Of course you aren't going to be around 24/7 to watch over every player that's known and some people will try to take advantage of it that's why when you do catch them doing any of the BS that's so rampant you slam the hammer down and make it known that you did such.

Don't let R&F be the place where the lists of banned people are debated and speculated, stickie the real list to the top of news and announcements, and for Tunare's sake delete the banned accounts or at least change the passwords on the owners and put the U/N and P/W in a database so in the event that you rescind the decision it's a quick fix!

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I cannot be convinced that anyone on this project should spend more of their time policing the players.

Quality is not the same as quantity. If you actually did something about the violations instead of limp wristed slaps, the players would actually respect the rules and you wouldn't need to police shit so much.

I don't agree with authoritarianism in a governing body of the real world, but in a voluntary shared space, we all agree to follow your rules, and authoritarianism can be expected and even lauded.

The laissez faire way you guys have thus far gone about enforcing the rules, from official postings all the way to decisions in the heat of battle have been so disjointed and inconsistent that even those who WANT to respect you guys and your rules (myself included) don't give a shit because you don't even respect them.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quality is not the same as quantity. If you actually did something about the violations instead of limp wristed slaps, the players would actually respect the rules and you wouldn't need to police shit so much.

I don't agree with authoritarianism in a governing body of the real world, but in a voluntary shared space, we all agree to follow your rules, and authoritarianism can be expected and even lauded.

The laissez faire way you guys have thus far gone about enforcing the rules, from official postings all the way to decisions in the heat of battle have been so disjointed and inconsistent that even those who WANT to respect you guys and your rules (myself included) don't give a shit because you don't even respect them.

I'd like to point out a few instances here --

Raren. Oh boy, what is a person to say here? The guy duped manastones and other junk for months and then was caught one night when I lent money to a friend to buy a stone from him, but Rogean showed up, gave me my money back and deleted the manastone. So what happened? It took two weeks for Raren to get banned and then he returned a couple of months later. Apparently, duping manastones isn't a bannable offense here. Dupe away.

With respect to trains while raiding and guild-wide suspensions, they're about as consistent as a coin flip. Sometimes a guild is given a timeout, but it seems that more often than not a single player is given the timeout while the guild goes on as if nothing happened.

I recall DA being given a two week timeout for a player caught MQ/SEQing (in lguk...) while Perun admitted to using SEQ when pulling Talendor and TR wasn't given a guild-wide raid suspension.

There's the above Bumamgar incident where Rogean decided that Bumamgar's argument -- he claimed that he didn't have to abide by the rules the players' had agreed upon (and Rogean said in vent he'd agree to enforce them) because he wasn't here when they were made -- was a reasonable one. Using the same logic, I'd like to invite every new person to the server to train,KS, and ninjaloot all of the raid mobs because they weren't here when the rules were made.

This is just off the top of my head where I recall thinking, "Did they really just do that?"

I get it. It's your server and you can do as you please, but don't expect to follow blindly and respect some truly idiotic decisions.

[RoKnRuiN1]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not put up the raid calendar yourself? I'm completely capable of doing it, but I can't be pissed to work on one more thing to be honest.

Then, you try working with the raid guilds on the server to hammer out rotations. Perhaps focusing the calendar on content they are less inclined to raid would be the idea? That way, when they get bored and implode you have a set of guilds that are used to working together. And I'll bet if everyone is holding hands and singing Kumbaya you might be able to convince the devs responsible to remove the spawn variances.

Don't expect the staff to fix your problems.

I would love to make a Raid Calendar, the only problem is that I have no idea how to go about that. If someone wants to teach me I will! =D

[Tecmos Deception]

Accountability. Pass it on!

<3 this server's staff.

[Skope]

As to the policing: maybe you guys can follow through with bans and punishments. When it comes to raid disputes it's actually incredibly easy: just delete the loot. The guilds will learn to behave when you take their toys away.

But that's not what's happening here. Rather than addressing a classic problem with a "I don't want to come back. Figure it out amongst yourselves" approach, the behavior of all NPCs in the game changed and even more variance was added.

You say one thing but you do the opposite.

[veejur]

We need a guide program, and someone with ethics that will oversee it. Let players sign up to help resolve issues that don't have to be devs. Give them tools to communicate with the devs that will actually take actions that effect the system (give/delete items, ban players etc.). Someone needs to oversee the guides' actions every once and a while to catch people that are not following the ethics rules (people will abuse guide privileges).

I'm in 100% agreement the emulator is great, the 1999 content and scripting is great, but a serious hole in making this an enjoyable spot for all is people who have both the *time* and the *desire* to keep things fair and a level playing field.

However to do this requires the devs giving up some control. It's not until people see some actions taken against players that screw over others (example, KS AC and sell the MQ before GMs can answer petition) that the culture of the server will change and folks will feel like any "fair play" is in place.

[Hasbinbad]

Although this seems to be changing now: Aeolwind, you specifically have no fucking room to talk.

[Hasbinbad]

..or should we bring up the results and implications of your decisions concerning the first contested dragon on p99?

[Hasbinbad]

scrub ass GM thinks he can talk down to players coz of his bolded blue name. get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.