Interesting/Cool/ things Paladins can do ?

[Dentalplan]

Paladins get to have 40% more adventures while leveling to 60!

[burkemi5]

I leveled a pally to 55 before I quit, I will try to say a few nice things about them

a) you can be a dwarf. Dwarf roll is awesome.
b) Healing spells are nice. If you're in trouble, you can root and heal, which is something that no other melee class can do.
c) Lulls and roots make you a pretty good puller up to the mid 40s.
d) Lay on hands is awesome.
e) get a Ghoulbane and you can solo undead mobs very well.
f) arguably the best spells for gaining aggro instantly and maintaining it.

Now some negatives:
a) By far the worst DPS. Your DPS is straight up pitiful.
b) Lower skills than a warrior means you'll never tank a raid mob unless your guild is hard pressed for tanks.
c) The EXP penalty is horrible. It's the reason why I quit my paladin and will never play another hybrid class.
c2) People will not want to group with you because of the EXP penalty you bring to groups. Seriously, do not underestimate the EXP penalty.


Edit: to answer your question, there is nothing that a paladin can duo / trio that a monk couldn't do better. Your DPS is way worse, you leech more EXP, and you dodge far less than a monk. Anyone in their right mind would not duo / trio with a pally.

I'm not joking when I say this. Quit your paladin and make a mage / nec / shaman / ench. Hell, even a druid.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

c2) People will not want to group with you because of the EXP penalty you bring to groups. Seriously, do not underestimate the EXP penalty.


Edit: to answer your question, there is nothing that a paladin can duo / trio that a monk couldn't do better. Your DPS is way worse, you leech more EXP, and you dodge far less than a monk. Anyone in their right mind would not duo / trio with a pally.

I just started leveling another char a couple months ago and I have to say this time around there is very little chance to escape an exp penalty in a group. I don't think I have been in a group without at least 1 ranger and a great deal of the time a bard and sk/pally tanking.

On another note, an iksar monk has a higher exp penalty (44%) than any pally.

My advice to OP is to play whatever class you want, people need tanks so I wouldn't expect a group sitting around waiting for one to turn you down because of the exp penalty. Or better yet, make friends with a cleric and you guys will be the one deciding who gets an invite.

[burkemi5]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On another note, an iksar monk has a higher exp penalty (44%) than any pally.

i would take an iksar monk over a pally as a tank 100% of the time

[Norathorr]

Paladins are awesome. They can hold decent aggro, root and the stuns also are great for interrupting cheals and gates. Can also patch heal your party and use the heals for additional forms of aggro andprovide decent buffs for when no cleric is in the group. I played paladin for 5 years on live and it was not until Pop where they really shone, but they are highly under-appreciated in this era when in actuality they are very good at their job in a group situation. In raid situations I guess they are eclipsed by warriors until events where good snap aggro off tanks are required.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i would take an iksar monk over a pally as a tank 100% of the time

So the EXP penalty is irrelevant. You are just picking what classes you want and need for a group, just like the vast majority of the people that this guy will encounter. Luckily for him and any other pallys, a group sitting around looking for a tank isn't going to pass up a pally and wait around to see if they can get a monk to tank, they will grab the pally and commence exping.

I've put a lot of play time in on this server, and I have encountered very few people that were really obsessed with the groups penalty. People tend to blow it out of proportion on the forums. The reality is that for most (or any) of this guys leveling time there won't be a dozen other tanks sitting around LFG to compete with him for spots.

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now some negatives:
a) By far the worst DPS. Your DPS is straight up pitiful.

Procs:
Fiery Defender - 155 dd+short stun
Divine Might - 65 dd

Did you have these? Do you realize how often they proc each fight? If your dex is only 80 then you're doing it wrong...

FA swings can hit for 190+... now add rotting a 41% sky belt and some haste. Paladin parse is no longer pitiful.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

b) Lower skills than a warrior means you'll never tank a raid mob unless your guild is hard pressed for tanks.

Paladins & SKs tank raid trash pretty well and very often... hell I've seen a Paladin tanking Spiroc Lords. Never say never.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

c) The EXP penalty is horrible. It's the reason why I quit my paladin and will never play another hybrid class.
c2) People will not want to group with you because of the EXP penalty you bring to groups. Seriously, do not underestimate the EXP penalty.

It's the misconceptions people like you spread that make this statement true. Despite the XP penalty they make a great tank and can dish out DPS when geared well.

Not every 50+ Paladin is a HE with a ghoulbane, cracked darkwood shield, no haste, and wearing armor of ro...

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Procs:
Fiery Defender - 155 dd+short stun
Divine Might - 65 dd

Did you have these? Do you realize how often they proc each fight? If your dex is only 80 then you're doing it wrong...

FA swings can hit for 190+... now add rotting a 41% sky belt and some haste. Paladin parse is no longer pitiful.



Paladins & SKs tank raid trash pretty well and very often... hell I've seen a Paladin tanking Spiroc Lords. Never say never.



It's the misconceptions people like you spread that make this statement true.

Not every 50+ Paladin is a HE with a ghoulbane, cracked darkwood shield, no haste, and wearing armor of ro...

Oh come on. Every one in the group other than the poor Cleric can go take a shit and come back before a Pally kills a tough mob. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh come on. Every one in the group other than the poor Cleric can go take a shit and come back before a Pally kills a tough mob. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll drop some parses here next time I'm allowed to raid on my Paladin. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Shenlaw - Monk
Goner - Max level Vocaration: Water
Kazmeir - 55 Magician (burnt wood staff + water pet nuke + sword of runes proc)
Valdrok - 53 Paladin with the Epic
Jebobn - Necro Rogue pet
Dextir - epic rogue who was LD during most of this parse

Valdrok really did OK here, and the parse does not account for any of his spell damage (also note how ridiculously OP magicians are at this level. Total its about 60k when DS damage is added).

HOWEVER,

this parse was from the LCY area of KC: most of the mobs were 45ish. My understanding is that Paladin offensive skills barely improve at all from 50-60, so in an area like the chef their dps would be substantially worse.