Drama

[Agaron]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zoning had nothing to do with the deal from what I gather. how are they supposed to know that he will keep coming back over and over again?
And like I said he got the item in the end anyway. Even after a roll for it that he agreed to. How often do you see that from so called "dicks"?

Skewz could have simply said I died and I'm not coming back, or I'm giving up, or you could have asked if Skewz was done attempting at mob? I guess a /t is too hard to do?

Looks like item was given after this thread was made. Did the rep thing make them give in? Darn recruits. Lol.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I'm confused by this whole thread. It sounds like the group wiped, leaving the camp open for the soloist to take over. Then it sounds like the soloist had to either zone or camp, leaving the camp open for the group to take back. In my opinion, the group was generous to give him a roll on the sword.

The OP seems to want to twist the rules to his advantage in both situations. He'll fit right into the raid scene.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused by this whole thread. It sounds like the group wiped, leaving the camp open for the soloist to take over. Then it sounds like the soloist had to either zone or camp, leaving the camp open for the group to take back. In my opinion, the group was generous to give him a roll on the sword.

The OP seems to want to twist the rules to his advantage in both situations. He'll fit right into the raid scene.

They made a deal to let him solo one spawn. Zoning the pet is part of an enchanter soloing the spawn. Therefore, they made a deal then attempted to just void it for some loot. They didn't say "We'll let you solo a spawn, but you can't zone at any point!"

I love how people act like it's impossible to act like a raging douche bag as long as you're in compliance with the rules.

[Agaron]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused by this whole thread. It sounds like the group wiped, leaving the camp open for the soloist to take over. Then it sounds like the soloist had to either zone or camp, leaving the camp open for the group to take back. In my opinion, the group was generous to give him a roll on the sword.

The OP seems to want to twist the rules to his advantage in both situations. He'll fit right into the raid scene.

You forgot that they made a deal that he could kill 1 more ph spawn mob, which was the named mob with said item, but that item influenced the deal.

You're old and ugly. You should get out of the raid scene, and go hit a spa or something.

[Alawen Everywhere]

If I'd been there, I'd think leaving the zone voided the deal as well. If that's how enchanters solo that camp, that fits right into the definition of inability to hold a camp. It also sounds like they gave him the sword after this bitchfest.

Nice attempt to take a shot at me, totally original and clever! I'm sorry you feel so insecure about your own appearance. I've been good looking all of my life. I didn't even have acne as a teenager. Let me guess--short, pudgy, muddy brown eyes, bad skin, straight greasy hair? Sorry man. I'm sure you have some other good qualities... maybe you're really loyal to your friends or something?

[soup]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'd been there, I'd think leaving the zone voided the deal as well. If that's how enchanters solo that camp, that fits right into the definition of inability to hold a camp. It also sounds like they gave him the sword after this bitchfest.

Nice attempt to take a shot at me, totally original and clever! I'm sorry you feel so insecure about your own appearance. I've been good looking all of my life. I didn't even have acne as a teenager. Let me guess--short, pudgy, muddy brown eyes, bad skin, straight greasy hair? Sorry man. I'm sure you have some other good qualities... maybe you're really loyal to your friends or something?

Once again, back to acting like the rules dictate what is or isn't douche baggery.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, back to acting like the rules dictate what is or isn't douche baggery.

But it wasn't douche baggery for the enchanter to pull the rules out against the group who had wiped? I just don't understand why one side is more right than the other.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But it wasn't douche baggery for the enchanter to pull the rules out against the group who had wiped? I just don't understand why one side is more right than the other.

So when was the enchanter a douche bag? When he split a fully spawned camp? No, not there. Was it when a group comes up and tells him the camp he just split is theirs? No, wasn't there. Was it when he offered to give them the camp after the next king/PH spawn? Nope, that wasn't it. Was it when the other group AGREED to that offer? Nope. Was it when he clarity and hasted their group? Nope.

Not really seeing where he was a douche bag.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Here's what I get out of this:

1) Group can't hold camp and wipes.

2) Enchanter starts soloing camp.

3) Group comes back, angry with enchanter for taking camp, which is rightfully the enchanters at THIS POINT.

4) Enchanter threatens Dravyen that he will camp there all night if they don't let him have 1 more PH spawn, group forced to give in to ultimatum because it's the only option that yields them the camp anytime soon. (see the first screenshot the OP posted for this "deal", which was really an ultimatum.)

5) Enchanter zones because he can't hold camp. I don't care if that's how enchanters "gotta do it". OP left camp for whatever reason, which is the SAME REASON he was able to rightfully take the camp from the group when they left the camp, described in (3).

6) Now the camp belongs to the group. As Alawen said above, that deal/ultimatum is now void at this point because the OP no longer holds the camp.

7) Somehow, for some reason, after the OP tries to twist the camping rules in his favor in both instances, group still gives him the sword, presumably to avoid further drama even though the OP did not own the camp at the point described in (5).

8) OP owes the group back their sword for bullying them with an ultimatum, and then losing the camp back to them when he zoned for whatever reason because he was unable to hold the camp with his 5% health pet, just as he justified taking their camp when they were unable to hold the camp with their 0% health group members.

[President]

Funny thread. It really amazes me how many people are on the side of an enchanter than an entire group who was attempting to get the sword for someones main. It is clear that both parties were in the wrong at some point, but if you have to zone, you can't hold the camp. And arguably, IMO, if zoning is to "speed things up" but doing it the "normal way" takes wayyyy toooo fucking long then you can't hold the camp either. It's the same reason there is a 30 minute timer called on other guilds to prepare for a raid boss, you need to be able to kill it, and kill it quickly.

I guess I'm not allowed to say someone is shit in rnf if they're shit. It makes Div look bad, yet people like President can run their mouth in rnf all day long, and it's a.o.k.

Just because I post a lot doesn't mean I post garbage like most of what R&F is. Daydrem has actually talked with me twice about my posting along time ago, but you are welcome to go through my posts and find the "run my mouth all day" ones and bring them up with her. In fact, I think if you search my posts you will find a large majority of them are more helpful to people than the rest of the active posters on this board.

After you guys booted Tralina, one of the nicest chicks on server for some bs reason, and after you let in so much garbage recently I could see why anyone would be weary of joining.

Tralina was voted out, and then asked to leave. Although I am sure you are the know all end all of the server, a lot of Divinity members had bad experiences with her and many of them had nothing to do with her attention-needing attitude. Unfortunately, even though I'd love to, I can't go into any more detail than this.