Cold Case Files: VP in seb final look

[kotton05]

that pic depicts the events so much better! good style points on it.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Was it TMO? Was it FE? Was it 'rainbow_bright_guildmember_01'? WHO COULD IT BE?!?!

Long and short, this video only proves that Trak came through the wall, and killed FE people. While that is lamentable, there is no value in declaring ANYONE as the bad guys here, because it cannot be proved. Hell, it could have been (i'm not saying it was) someone in FE who came in on the TMO engage and got trak touched... we just don't have any evidence here at all.

For to the poster who said go look at Trak logs:
I respect that you're trying to help identify who did this, and that you're probably a knowledgable player and already know, but figured I would state the obvious just in case anyone wasn't aware how logs worked. When Trak resets, the log clears. There is no retaining of information from one engage to the next. The only time the log is updated is after Trakanon is engaged. If that engage results in Trak's death, the log is retained as "complete". If Trak wins, and resets, then the log is wiped out. (thats what this video shows). If the person FDs, Trak resets, they stand and are still agro, its a "new engage log" with only that person on it.

If there is someone in the shroom maze, or someone under the rock, or someone in Greater Faydark, the answer still remains the same, it is not shown on this video. Because Trak resets, it will not be retained in the log. There is no way to "prove it" in this instance unless someone was where the person who had agro was standing / flopping / whatever / and could synch that with Trakanon going apeshit and ending up on ledge.

I will grant that there is a possibility that it could have been someone in TMO, but it could just as easily have been someone in any other guild or even an unguilded person on the server. (Please be logical and don't latch onto this as an admission or denial of guilt, I am just trying to be as neutral as possible here)

I was at this trak, I was in vent, and I never heard anyone say "I'm FD in shrooms, i'm going to fuck with FE" The closest to this I heard was "Who can drag my corpse from shrooms?"

My guess of what happened here?
Without evidence its hard to say, but my guess is that someone got Trak touched and flopped, waited till trak was reset and stood... heard Trak is agro and failed a flop... had to wait obligatory X seconds, and flopped again which is why Trak got as far as it did on the first "training" (who knows it may have been 2 fails). Waited a couple mins, hoping trak would forget them, then stood again and heard the same thing so flopped again (trak didn't go as far second time).

This is one of the MAJOR reasons that TMO moved to the other side of the water a month ago... to avoid possible trains when we were prepping to engage. You're vulnerable in that spot, plain and simple... not because someone is intent on disrupting your raid, but because any number of things can cause Trak to agro you, especially with change in agro radius.

[kotton05]

I agree it is a totally vulnerable spot, with the new patch i'm sure you have noticed his new agro and no invis / sneak+hide.

Also I agree its a mystery person. I understand there is a possibility of it not being the guild I think, guess I thought each encounter was saved. Very valid point on me thinking that the encounter would of been.

So exactly "who" is a variable that isn't proven from a sever side log, no concrete evidence, very circumstantial with my own opinions attached.

How often does trak shroom people? Anyone know? (I'm not exactly sure, seems like a proc but might be timed.)

With your statements of not hearing a mention of someone being shroomed it has me thinking of a few points.

I know your engage did have a tank get shroomed and summoned back, but that's the only person I know of and its clearly not him.

The person in question had to have survived the aoe for a good minute if it was an FD (or resist). Also I heard no mention of "Hey i'm in shroom room fd gonna /q"..

He'll remain a mystery in the shadows it seems.

[finalgrunt]

I guess, from nosw on, you also need to have somebody in shroom's room, frapsing it. So much fun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Junkman]

all i got from this video was a bad necro who has a horrible ui lol

[Servellious]

PROOF, althought next time, have trakanon targeted and try /assist but prolly wont work thru the walls. Can gm's check encounter logs and see who the dumb fuck was that kept standing and fding cause his guild wiped to trak.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was it TMO? Was it FE? Was it 'rainbow_bright_guildmember_01'? WHO COULD IT BE?!?!

Long and short, this video only proves that Trak came through the wall, and killed FE people. While that is lamentable, there is no value in declaring ANYONE as the bad guys here, because it cannot be proved. Hell, it could have been (i'm not saying it was) someone in FE who came in on the TMO engage and got trak touched... we just don't have any evidence here at all.

For to the poster who said go look at Trak logs:
I respect that you're trying to help identify who did this, and that you're probably a knowledgable player and already know, but figured I would state the obvious just in case anyone wasn't aware how logs worked. When Trak resets, the log clears. There is no retaining of information from one engage to the next. The only time the log is updated is after Trakanon is engaged. If that engage results in Trak's death, the log is retained as "complete". If Trak wins, and resets, then the log is wiped out. (thats what this video shows). If the person FDs, Trak resets, they stand and are still agro, its a "new engage log" with only that person on it.

If there is someone in the shroom maze, or someone under the rock, or someone in Greater Faydark, the answer still remains the same, it is not shown on this video. Because Trak resets, it will not be retained in the log. There is no way to "prove it" in this instance unless someone was where the person who had agro was standing / flopping / whatever / and could synch that with Trakanon going apeshit and ending up on ledge.

I will grant that there is a possibility that it could have been someone in TMO, but it could just as easily have been someone in any other guild or even an unguilded person on the server. (Please be logical and don't latch onto this as an admission or denial of guilt, I am just trying to be as neutral as possible here)

I was at this trak, I was in vent, and I never heard anyone say "I'm FD in shrooms, i'm going to fuck with FE" The closest to this I heard was "Who can drag my corpse from shrooms?"

My guess of what happened here?
Without evidence its hard to say, but my guess is that someone got Trak touched and flopped, waited till trak was reset and stood... heard Trak is agro and failed a flop... had to wait obligatory X seconds, and flopped again which is why Trak got as far as it did on the first "training" (who knows it may have been 2 fails). Waited a couple mins, hoping trak would forget them, then stood again and heard the same thing so flopped again (trak didn't go as far second time).

This is one of the MAJOR reasons that TMO moved to the other side of the water a month ago... to avoid possible trains when we were prepping to engage. You're vulnerable in that spot, plain and simple... not because someone is intent on disrupting your raid, but because any number of things can cause Trak to agro you, especially with change in agro radius.

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[Lorraine]

Rule No 1: Always blame and ban Faz
Rule No 2: Always blame and ban Tortue
Rule No 3: When in doubt, apply both Rules No 1 and 2


If I had to choose amongst the 10 (initial /who) and 6 (second /who) TMO names in that list, I'd say this is a clear case of Rule No 2.

[raff01]

All of this will be so much more fun when repeated in NtoV / Kael / ST

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Servellious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PROOF, althought next time, have trakanon targeted and try /assist but prolly wont work thru the walls. Can gm's check encounter logs and see who the dumb fuck was that kept standing and fding cause his guild wiped to trak.

Merkk's spell fizzles.