How good is a Manastone really?

[PhelanKA]

Originally Posted by Crover_CT99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just for perspective, the manastone has been the most game changing item I've gained (perhaps tied with jboots).

Jboots>Manastone IMO. I'll take a positive constant over a system that requires positive compensation for it's drawbacks any day. The Manastone is situational whereas the Jboots are always a benefit, no matter what.

I'd take both though if I could [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Crover_CT99]

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jboots>Manastone IMO. I'll take a positive constant over a system that requires positive compensation for it's drawbacks any day. The Manastone is situational whereas the Jboots are always a benefit, no matter what.

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Jboots can only be used outdoors! =P

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Crover_CT99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jboots can only be used outdoors! =P

Manastone can only be used in classic EQ non planes =P

[PhelanKA]

Originally Posted by Crover_CT99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jboots can only be used outdoors! =P

Yeahbut....

Run speed increased indoors is not much of a force multiplier.

Yeah...

Whatever. I prefer fashion over function. I can wear the #&@$ outta some boots. Manastones not so much. I rest my case.

[aresprophet]

Originally Posted by Crover_CT99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you said is true.

My general method, for better or worse, was to keep my wisdom as close to 200 as possible while managing hp gear. The only time I would sacrifice some wis for hp (possibly dipping to 195wis or so) was when it actually added a manastone click.

That being said, while the manastone didn't really add to my list of soloable mobs necessarily, it drastically increased the efficiency and amount of named mobs I could fit into a solo camp session, if they were open.

Not to mention its benefits to group play. Add a 50 shaman and buff reso + naltron + talisman + stam + chloro and the cleric shall never be low on mana, even with the most overzealous of pullers.

Thing is, micromanaging your manastoning in a non-solo situation is difficult. You're not often going to be able to cycle up to 100% in a group. Squeezing in one cycle now and then when the puller is out of mobs is quite feasible but requires communication and timing. It also makes maximizing your cycle's mana regen all the more important.

The more HP you have the more efficient one cycle is and, equally important, the fewer cycles it takes to get to FM. The difference between 150 wis and 200 wis at 50 is only 500 mana, which is a mere 25%-30% of your total pool anyway. If you can convert that to 360hp you've got 120 more mana per cycle, which is huge. On a 30 second cycle that's an extra 20 mana per tick on top of the 240 or you you can already pull in. 60 mana per tick while standing? Eat your hearts out, necros (err, not literally. I know you're into that kind of thing).

The exact math on this depends heavily on BIS options for both mana (and wis) or hp (and stamina) in each slot at 50. In the case of a boots slot, the 9 wis from GEBs vastly outweighs 15 hp from Kobold Hide boots. But for the ear slot, 35 hp is worth a lot more than 3 wis (although you'll obviously want an Ivandyr's Hoop if your race can wear it, making Dark Elves ideal clerics). The face slot is also clearly a wis item, while the 80 hp on a Djarn's is going to outweigh a 6 wis ring. So on and so forth. Items like Paw of Opolla that double dip HP and mana are great, as is black sapphire jewelry and a Platinum Tiara.

More hp = more efficient manastoning in the short term. In the long term it's almost a wash because you're looking to get to FM and having a smaller mana pool isn't exactly desirable. But in a group situation where you're never going to sit at FM anyway, HP is king for clerics with a manastone.

It's a totally different game for druids.

[VincentVolaju]

Originally Posted by aresprophet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thing is, micromanaging your manastoning in a non-solo situation is difficult. You're not often going to be able to cycle up to 100% in a group. Squeezing in one cycle now and then when the puller is out of mobs is quite feasible but requires communication and timing. It also makes maximizing your cycle's mana regen all the more important.

The more HP you have the more efficient one cycle is and, equally important, the fewer cycles it takes to get to FM. The difference between 150 wis and 200 wis at 50 is only 500 mana, which is a mere 25%-30% of your total pool anyway. If you can convert that to 360hp you've got 120 more mana per cycle, which is huge. On a 30 second cycle that's an extra 20 mana per tick on top of the 240 or you you can already pull in. 60 mana per tick while standing? Eat your hearts out, necros (err, not literally. I know you're into that kind of thing).

The exact math on this depends heavily on BIS options for both mana (and wis) or hp (and stamina) in each slot at 50. In the case of a boots slot, the 9 wis from GEBs vastly outweighs 15 hp from Kobold Hide boots. But for the ear slot, 35 hp is worth a lot more than 3 wis (although you'll obviously want an Ivandyr's Hoop if your race can wear it, making Dark Elves ideal clerics). The face slot is also clearly a wis item, while the 80 hp on a Djarn's is going to outweigh a 6 wis ring. So on and so forth. Items like Paw of Opolla that double dip HP and mana are great, as is black sapphire jewelry and a Platinum Tiara.

More hp = more efficient manastoning in the short term. In the long term it's almost a wash because you're looking to get to FM and having a smaller mana pool isn't exactly desirable. But in a group situation where you're never going to sit at FM anyway, HP is king for clerics with a manastone.

It's a totally different game for druids.

Do that again, but with a Druid this time. <3 lol

[Taluvill]

I think you guys are straying a bit off topic here.

The kid is a druid, and everything Alawen said here is absolutely 100% correct. it is the most function able, amazing item for a druid. I still use it to quad specs/ hg's for cash when they are open and available and im not raiding. It's quite god for wizards as well, but they cant pop themselves with regen like us druids can.

It is a very good item. Do not sell it. Regardless of what happens, its a great item for quadding through kunark/velious, and it is a great item to have because it doesn't drop anymore. The price WILL go up when the amount of manastones dwindle from people hoarding them for alts or players quitting and manastones roting on unused characters. My dad has 2 rotting... I cant imagine the amount of old school players that quit that lost theirs.

[Crover_CT99]

Originally Posted by aresprophet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More hp = more efficient manastoning in the short term. In the long term it's almost a wash because you're looking to get to FM and having a smaller mana pool isn't exactly desirable. But in a group situation where you're never going to sit at FM anyway, HP is king for clerics with a manastone.

I agree with your premise but never did extensive testing with a massive +hp gear set. I would assume this would be situational on group make-up, skill and awareness, as well as the type/location of camp.

My char has no planar gear, so I was always eeking out some hp here and there. I never did get GEBS (I'm on break), which would have "allowed" me to slot hp rings while staying at 200 wisdom. With a reed belt I could even drop the abalone gorget for a sapphire necklace (which I should do anyway - the gorget just made me feel special).

But I digress...

Yeahbut....

Run speed increased indoors is not much of a force multiplier.

Yeah...

Whatever. I prefer fashion over function. I can wear the #&@$ outta some boots. Manastones not so much. I rest my case.

Haha. However considering my addiction to manastone clicky clickies, it could probably have been considered a fashion statement.

[Ytrafik]

nice examples but don't forget you have to pay 40k-50kpp because it no longer drop and that's quite hard to get one because a lot of player even ask more to sell them.


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[Alawen Everywhere]

I'm sick to death of trying to convince people of the truth. Sell your fucking manastone if you don't like it.

P.S. Taluvill and I are two of the top ten druids on the server.