Day 8 of my induction into Ketosis

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Originally Posted by Mighty Xenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The entire process by which GMO seeds have been approved in the United States, beginning with the proclamation by then President George H.W. Bush in 1992, on request of Monsanto, that no special Government tests of safety for GMO seeds would be conducted because they were deemed by the President to be “substantially equivalent” to non-GMO seeds"

oh, no worries Bush said they're ok, never mind.

No need to think twice......

The seeds are grown not eaten. Studies were done on the resultant crops, no issues found. People have been eating GMO crops (and by-products of) for decades now anyway, arguing a decline in health as a result without any form of causality is pointless. Regardless, I believe that testing is not needed if it can be shown that the product could have arisen through evolutionary means. If this quote is even true, how did Bush come to that agreement if his agreement is even binding anyway, which I think it isn't. Your argument is irrelevant and invalid. I'm tempted to start studying bio-engineering just so I can debunk all this crap like I've done with the creationists arguing against evolution.

[big_ole_jpn]

awful thread.

buy a bike.

[Deanob]

Originally Posted by Shrubwise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Guide to Ketosis

Yeah, it's pretty much Atkin's. It's too early on to have any definitive results, but I'll be posting my progress. My goal is to try it for 2 months and see what, if any, changes occur. Then I'll either go back to my regular diet (which is remarkably low in carbs anyways) or stay on it. The only change I made to my diet to make it ketosis-friendly is cutting out the daily apple/blueberries I ate, and adding much, much more beef/shrimp.

I did it for about two months and instantly lost 10 lbs. Worked like a charm.

I kept sugar out of my diet now and slowly re introduced carbs but only eat it when I know I'm active that day such as my sports or lots of walking etc.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Mighty Xenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please try, I encourage you to read up on the subject you assume you know so much about, start with the articles I posted in the gmo thread you might actually learn something

Aren't you fat as shit though?

[senna]

I've done it. It works but its a pain in the ass and it requires way too much effort.

There is no metabolic advantage with keto over any other diet. So I say just do a caloric deficit with a normal macro split.

Exercise suffers in ketosis, breath stinks, carb cravings suck. Really the reason 99% of people do ketosis is so they can stuff their face with bacon.

[Quiksilver]

I, for one, love fad diets. In a /popcorn way, though.

They're all gimmicks. Just new ways to burn more calories than consumed.

[Knuckle]

meat, veggies, fats. thats what im doing. and weight lifting, football on sundays when i can. of course, i ate fried peanut butter and jelly sandwhich with bananas for breakfast at metro diner, so i fall off the wagon occasionally, i think that's what their talking about people gaining weight real fast x_x


I'd say the biggest reason I support Paleo is I have never once when eating a proper paleo meal felt sluggish afterwards, and I used to be a pretty solid proponent of whole grains until I actually measured my bodies response after eating a meal with pasta carbs of any kind.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by senna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've done it. It works but its a pain in the ass and it requires way too much effort.

There is no metabolic advantage with keto over any other diet. So I say just do a caloric deficit with a normal macro split.

Exercise suffers in ketosis, breath stinks, carb cravings suck. Really the reason 99% of people do ketosis is so they can stuff their face with bacon.

This, minus the "done it" thing.

The best thing you can do is keep a food journal on one of the major websites like *fitday where you can enter in your meals and it gives you a rough macro/micronutrient breakdown so you can get an idea of what exactly is going into your body so you can estimate on your own on the fly later on in life.

The "requires effort" thing is why nearly all fad diets fail, because its something that requires constant effort whereas a caloric deficit is something that doesn't require nearly as much attention and can be maintained indefinitely as long as you can retain what you learned while actually logging your food (i.e. knowing how many calories in a slice of bread, cheese, an egg, a chicken breast etc). That's something you can do for the rest of your life. If you didn't have the willpower to not get fat in the first place how in the hell are you going to keep up with such a high maintenance eating regimen for the rest of your life?

*(disclaimer: haven't paid this much attention to my diet in years so not sure of the sites that are good now)

[stormlord]

Be careful about eating too many eggs:
http://scienceblog.com/56078/egg-yol...G1KBmUfFjof.99

Newly published research led by Dr. David Spence of Western University, Canada, shows that eating egg yolks accelerates atherosclerosis in a manner similar to smoking cigarettes. Surveying more than 1200 patients, Dr. Spence found regular consumption of egg yolks is about two-thirds as bad as smoking when it comes to increased build-up of carotid plaque, a risk factor for stroke and heart attack. The research is published online in the journal Atherosclerosis.
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“The mantra ‘eggs can be part of a healthy diet for healthy people’ has confused the issue. It has been known for a long time that a high cholesterol intake increases the risk of cardiovascular events, and egg yolks have a very high cholesterol content. In diabetics, an egg a day increases coronary risk by two to five-fold,” says Dr. Spence, a Professor of Neurology at Western’s Schulich School of Medicine & Dentistry and the Director of its Stroke Prevention and Atherosclerosis Research Centre (SPARC) at the Robarts Research Institute. “What we have shown is that with aging, plaque builds up gradually in the arteries of Canadians, and egg yolks make it build up faster – about two-thirds as much as smoking. In the long haul, egg yolks are not okay for most Canadians.”
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Read more at http://scienceblog.com/56078/egg-yol...qLSBXpETVFH.99

Watch out for high fat meats (stick to lean chicken/turkey; boil it preferably):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-bomb-bun.html

Here're some recommendations from webmd:
http://women.webmd.com/guide/heart-healthy-diet

However, note that on the webmed site they mention that it's safe to have 1 egg a day, but the link I posted up above seems to contradict this information. Just 3 or more eggs per week was associated with significantly more plaque in the arteries. So be careful about what advice you take.

Also keep in mind that it's a lot easier to get Choline (a critical compound used to produce Acetylcholine which is important for brain functioning) from animal-based foods. Egg yolks, for example, have a very high amount of Choline. But again, be carful! It's a mine field out there.

Here's a list I made for foods containing Choline that're maybe more safe to eat than eggs:

Vegetables:
Collard Greens
Cauliflower
Swiss Chard
Spinach
Potato (sweet potatoes are best; healthier - stay away from the non-colored potatoes)
Asparagus
Green Peas
Broccoli
Brussels Sprouts
Green Beans
Avocado
Tomoatoes
Cucumber
Zucchini
Lettuce

Mushrooms:
Shiitake
Crimini
Portobella
Maitake

Miscellaneous:
Fish
Low-fat Yogurt
Soybeans (whole or fermented is recommended)
Peanuts, Sesame Seeds, Almonds
Lentils, Navy Beans
Oats, Barley, Flax seeds

I'd eat 1 egg a week. A little lean meat here and there ain't bad for you, either. But if you're against eating meat, you can find supplements easily enough. Just have to do the research. It's harder to get the nutrients you need without supplements if you choose not to eat meat. It's possible, but much harder.

Absolutely stay away from refined carbs like breads. Pasta's are ok if you mix them with foods that lower the glycemic index, but generally it's not good to eat foods that're refined like that.

Refined carbs + added sugars = bad bad bad. People get addicted to it too. It's an epidemic. It's just as bad with the fried fatty foods that're popular across the world. Both are like the devil's food.

[Knuckle]

im finding it real hard with my work schedule to find the time to cook up a paleo diet, i find myself bending the rules and eating way more fruit than i should by grabbing island green smoothies with no sugar and adding a scoop of whey protein on the way to work from trop smoothie. im probably eating 2-3 smoothies a day, but ive also gone back to heavy lifting so its a pretty convenient way to get half my daily protein intake without having to cook.