Wizard vs Mage

[Tecmos Deception]

I wasn't trolling! Maybe my lack of experience with epic mages is the catching point, but I would rather solo than group with a mage. Every damn pet procs a nuke or a root and mages love giving their pets swords with even more procs. The last thing I want to deal with when I'm farming something is root breaks every 5 seconds. Maybe if the fight is half over already or the chanter makes liberal use of mem blur, the magician pet will keep aggro on a charm break... but I'm skeptical. I'd much prefer a second rooter+stunner with lame sustained damage+great burst.


And SCB, shamans are awesome at everything, not just grouping. Maybe 1-59 shaman and druid are pretty interchangeable when paired with a chanter, though I still would have to think having a shaman doing malo, slow, plus buffs and heals would be preferable to having a druid who can snare, DS, buff, and heal. And then at 60 it's no contest.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you would let a charmed pet die when duoing, when you could instead give it proccing weapons and a bunch of haste and other buffs and then keep it alive. The extra mobs you'd kill with that monster of a pet is going to get you wayyyy more xp than you'd get from finishing off a nearly-dead ex-pet every few kills.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And SCB, shamans are awesome at everything, not just grouping. Maybe 1-59 shaman and druid are pretty interchangeable when paired with a chanter, though I still would have to think having a shaman doing malo, slow, plus buffs and heals would be preferable to having a druid who can snare, DS, buff, and heal. And then at 60 it's no contest.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you would let a charmed pet die when duoing, when you could instead give it proccing weapons and a bunch of haste and other buffs and then keep it alive. The extra mobs you'd kill with that monster of a pet is going to get you wayyyy more xp than you'd get from finishing off a nearly-dead ex-pet every few kills.

Again, it's hardly like I'm bashing Shamans. I just don't think "who's best at 60" is at all the question here, since the guy is talking about leveling with a buddy.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate for letting the pet die, but I don't see a reason to value shammy slow over ench slow in a duoing situation because if worst comes to worst you're not losing anything of real value. It's not like a druid can't keep up a pet just fine for the few seconds it may be in danger, and you can always just have the pet heal itself if you really need it at 100% between pulls. Hell, if youre in the right zones, a druid can be right there charming with you, so you gain the theoretical benefit of two enchanters charming, too.

You seem to be focusing on the weirdest specifics, rather than my general point.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't trolling! Maybe my lack of experience with epic mages is the catching point, but I would rather solo than group with a mage. Every damn pet procs a nuke or a root and mages love giving their pets swords with even more procs. Maybe if the fight is half over already or the chanter makes liberal use of mem blur, the magician pet will keep aggro on a charm break... but I'm skeptical. I'd much prefer a second rooter+stunner with lame sustained damage+great burst.

This more sort of general thought process is where I'm coming from. In general, I'd prefer one class to another, and it has nothing to do with specific camps or level ranges.

[HippoNipple]

Mage will be better for exp at any point in my opinion.

Wizard will be more fun end game if you like raiding. Ports are a huge plus for me.

Best duo for an enchanter level 50+ is a cleric. As a cleric/enchanter duo I can't see you having too many problems finding groups for exp either. As a duo at low levels you can make it work. Both classes are able to solo to 50 so you can make it work as a duo obviously.

[diplo]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard will be more fun end game if you like raiding. Ports are a huge plus for me.

which part is fun? porting people when bosses pop?

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by diplo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

which part is fun? porting people when bosses pop?

If you don't like to DPS through DD spells in fights I don't know what to tell you, wizard isn't for you. What else would be fun about a wizard during a boss fight? I would much rather port and DPS than make mod rods.

[HippoNipple]

I also want to say that shaman/druid would be better at lower lvls because their heals aren't so bad and when you are charming at low levels killing your charmed pet after you kill a mob isn't a bad idea. The moment you get to the level where it makes sense to start buffing and keeping your pet around is the moment clerics become better as a duo partner. As far as buffs go Cleric/Enchanter have the best buff/debuff combo. There is too much overlap between the enchanter/shaman.

Also it would be nice to have the cleric around for rez when the enchanter dies. Enchanters are the easiest class to die on after all.

[Tenlaar]

Also, and I'm assuming this works on this server, torpor on the charmed pet makes for a super easy controlled break/recharm.

[Vanessa]

Yeah I was mostly talking about just leveling, not so much of farming specific mobs at level 60, that would be like months away lol.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Vanessa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I was mostly talking about just leveling, not so much of farming specific mobs at level 60, that would be like months away lol.

There is very little division between the ultra-hardcore and the fairly casual on these boards, so just keep in mind that if you're asking for advice, you're gonna get it from both camps.

Filter out what's most applicable for your situation and make a decision that results in the most fun, is my best advice. People here are insanely knowledgeable about EQ, so the people advising you for super-hardcore 2-manning (aka Loraen above with Spore King) may not apply to your situation, but still provide valuable insight and perspective.

[mimixownzall]

Invite a wizard if you need a port, then boot him for a mage. Honestly, how many times have you been in a group and ever thought, "man, there is a mage LFG but I want this wizard!"