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View Poll Results: First class on fresh green? | |||
Bard | 34 | 8.31% | |
Cleric | 26 | 6.36% | |
Druid | 39 | 9.54% | |
Enchanter | 53 | 12.96% | |
Magician | 28 | 6.85% | |
Monk | 17 | 4.16% | |
Necromancer | 47 | 11.49% | |
Paladin | 18 | 4.40% | |
Ranger | 12 | 2.93% | |
Rogue | 11 | 2.69% | |
Shadow knight | 15 | 3.67% | |
Shaman | 45 | 11.00% | |
Warrior | 15 | 3.67% | |
Wizard | 25 | 6.11% | |
Won't play on a new server | 24 | 5.87% | |
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Similarly, it's easy to say "well Enchanters are better here because they know about Charisma", but there's actually tons of evidence that Enchanters knew about Charisma back in the day ... it just wasn't clear how much impact it made. Caster's Realm even did "studies" ... and found them inconclusive (November 2000, emphasis added): Quote:
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You're absolutely right that internet limits, hardware limits, Gina, etc. matter. No question. But that applies to all classes. Whether you take Bards or any other class, they fundamentally play the same here as they did in classic ... maybe with bigger swarms now, but they're still the same Bards (and the staff even "nerfed" swarms to make them more classic!) Meanwhile, Enchanter is the only class that fundamentally aren't the same as on live. They went from being a primarily group class, that could solo (dangerously, so most didn't) ... to being a primarily solo class. You can't convince me that's classic.
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Class counts will be similar to Green 1.0. Here are the counts when green was still very new https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...JH0/edit#gid=0
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i think that both sides are right about enchanters.
I'd say that back in the classic days, up thru luclin at least, the vast majority didn't understand everything about enchanters, the tactics, the spell combinations, the gear, even charisma. I'd also say that enchanters on p99 are tuned a bit stronger than live classic era. enchanters didn't have a monklybusiness or safehouse type website with in-depth and thorough information and forum discussion. I do remember enchanters charming in groups and ultimately being asked to stop because of the liability, they all went down in 2 rounds. I also remember being impressed at charm mob dps. so it could have worked, and im sure that there were some people who figured out you have gear like a CHA based melee class and to swap half your spells every 2 minutes. then luclin hit and enchanters gained Dire Charm, and nobody ever thought about regular charm mechanics ever again. so that era of "classic charming" was over and gone before the casual player even got Spell: Allure on p99 we've had like 12 years to study, learn and master, because it never changes. everything is reliably the same day in day out, and no xpac will come along to change that. copy and sticky this post, and put an end the the discussion for good. | ||
Last edited by Trexller; 02-16-2023 at 03:45 PM..
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Bards weren't known to commonly swarm xp til post-Velious either, for many of the same reasons. There's a reason for the old stereotype of bard players being afk-manasong. Like enchanter its more about the differences in everything else than something lacking in P99's coding of the classes. You can't put Pandora back in the box on all this stuff, there's a myriad of variables that have combined to make enchanter the powerhouse it is today.
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By the way, what do you think of Shaman's in contrast to classic? It's got a similar notoriety to some extent. | |||
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Similarly, you won't convince me that it's classic for Bards to swarm 100+ mobs; despite what I wrote about them swarming, they didn't (or at least 99.99% didn't) swarm 100+ back in '99-'01. Quote:
I just don't have the passion to advocate for any because A) personally, having played Loramin both here and on live, I hadn't noticed anything unclassic, and B) I'm kind of over Loramin. I still play him some, but I've already relived my live experience with him. What I now want is the classic experience of being an Enchanter; thus my advocacy.
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high elf, all points to INT robe of the oracle stein of mogguk a crude stein x2 cat eye ring x2 cat eye bracelet incandescent mask/gloves basic cloth in the rest of the slots you'll have like 300 hp at level 20, constant charm breaks and die very easily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||
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But the hot pink erollsi armor :O
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