ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awe come on you linked us the vids. Preston said that Brandon banging Ashara in a dungeon would be fitting since it echoes the Bael the Bard story. Ashara was handmaiden to the queen. Kings Landing was her place and her brother is Kingsguard and best friend to the prince. Can there be any doubt that she was influential enough to arrange a conjugal visit?

Preston is also strangely obsessed with the lemon tree outside the house with the red door, when GRRM has already said years ago that the plans for dany's backstory changed a bit between the first and second book.

some of his shit is just crazy tinfoil. but at least its fresh new exciting tinfoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



edit - also found a pretty good video on the hooded man of Winterfell - https://youtu.be/HwFNq7_8lWM

[AenorVZ]

Dude, Bravos is parallel to Castle Black. There are no lemon trees there. Sounds to me like GRRM was using misdirection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, Bravos is parallel to Castle Black. There are no lemon trees there. Sounds to me like GRRM was using misdirection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, I understand very well what Bravos and Pentos are both like. what I'm telling you is that GRRM has admitted that his plans for her changed after the first book and while he was writing the second book. The entire reason he points out actual mistakes (and he has said this as well) is because as you mentioned, sometimes he does try to misdirect and play games with his readers. but certain things are just errors or changes, like Sandor's horse change sexes, or Sansa's eyes changing color, etc. Some stuff is just an error, and when that happens he corrects it purposely as to not take away from the mysteries that actually do exist in the world of ice and fire.

[Sirken]

also, you all need to watch this video from 6:38 - 11:27 (https://youtu.be/-hh-52ptifI?t=6m38s)

[AenorVZ]

WELL THATS NO FUN.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WELL THATS NO FUN.

lol! aw, i'm sorry :P

but for real though, I'd be shocked if the lemon tree or the house with the red door played any role in our book story.

one thing i'm curious about is will we see the Jaqan h'gar at the citadel? they made it clear the man Arya was with was only wearing Jaqan's face, and that it wasnt the same actual human being she met in the riverlands. I also wonder if the show will introduce the two horns, but i'm starting to think not so much.

also, calling it now, next season Cersei will die and the wall will come down

[AenorVZ]

So I have a theory, which is basically that the show has ruined GRRM. He's a bit of a perfectionist, like. And he's said he likes to write in a way which rewards repeated readings, which I think he's been fabulously successful at.

But what the show has done is bring so much hyper-focused attention to the book series. Preston obviously isn't the only youtuber micro-analyzing every word GRRM has ever written. I just think the pressure and weight of expectations is impacting his ability to finish the series. If this had remained a bestselling -- but otherwise obscure among non-fantasy book fans -- series and not become the biggest series in television history, then he could more easily get away with taking seven years to write a book.

I have of course run into the ground on these pages my disdain for D&D for doing the exact same thing the writers for the LotR movies did -- presuming to rewrite one of the greatest writers in the history of the English language. Unfortunately the success of the show reinforces to everyone involved with it that they're doing the right thing despite how obviously bad at storytelling they are, as Preston broke down with painstaking details in the season six wrap.

So I guess what I'm saying is that, if you're right and lemon trees in Bravos are an error and not a fake out, that means that GRRM was misleading readers when he downplayed Jon's importance in Ned's internal dialogue. Why did he move heaven and earth and bring down his own house trying to help Danny, but only think of Jon when he thought of bastards? The B+A=J theory would have been the most subtle fake out I've ever read if that was how it played out. But if you're right, it probably means GRRM isn't as good as I thought he was.

PS on page 324 of this thread I'm prepared to admit that I care way too much [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

you aren't wrong, but i think the reasons are a bit different. i think its just less fun to write now that he knows the ending. the adventure for him is over, hes just putting pen to page for the readers at this point

[AenorVZ]

True.

[Sirken]

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