Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just one thing, even war are better off with 2h for dps now . Which knights would also use. If ya dpsing you shouldn’t be dual wielding it’s worse dps.

funny the guy saying people who dont weapon swap are shitters is the same guy saying wars use 1 handers in xp groups lol

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think blind works like this. I've been trying to figure out if there are any possible raid uses for Blinding Poison III for a long time now, and one of the mechanics tests I tried was to see if I could do controlled tank swaps without having high aggro on a permarooted mob while ranged characters DPS and having the blind keep them from summoning. The end result was the caster got summoned even though the tank was in melee. Maybe its different if the target is actually rooted and blind or unrooted and blind, but I doubt it.

This threw a wrench in plans I had to try and do a 25 puppet PBAOE puppet show in Plane of Mischief by having a shaman solo Geb for a day, then getting ~10 wizards and some Melees with bump disc and PBAOE out each puppet stack for throne farming. But the only 25 target AOE blind lasts 1 tick, so can't be made permanent even with a chain, and blind doesn't seem to block summon anyway, so that dream died [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Untanked blind mobs (including rooted; I specifically tested this on puppets) have a summon range that is longer than their melee range but still short. Probably 30-50 units. I think the summon range is still long enough to make your dream impossible, but you can blind kill a puppet using targeted damage from a further range. I believe I have seen this work on tanked mobs too: I recommend redoing your test with the caster near max casting range. But as far as tank swaps go I don't know of an intersection between {want to tank swap} / {can land blind or blinding poison 3} / {don't need the boss to summon the tank throughout the fight}.

My blind mechanic dream was to use blind kiting for solo challenges on my bard. I used my bio orb to solo ww dragons up to and including Ayillish (Ayillish is still hard due to resists and a loooong kill time, I did use 3 clicks of a wort), and a4 Grink/Gronk, so I consider it a great success.

[Naethyn]

You can blind flurry drakes in ntov so they run away from the raid and kill everyone. Tested this with bio orb.

[enjchanter]

I tried the weapon swapping thing today on my warrior with guadralek and Kragg club (just highest dmg thing I have) and I felt like an idiot because warriors are so fucking bad

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the OP is cross talking themself, and gloomy continues that troll.

Yep. I'm a troll alright. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

I have a level 60 paladin and 60 warrior. Paladin has NToV Greatspear of Dawn. Warrior has inferior ratio Dain axe.

In defense of the warrior:
-Never really had aggro problems on my warrior. Blips here and there? Yeah it goes with the territory but with 2h white dog aggro being what it is and a stun/dd proc … it’s trivial
-Never did a group with my paladin that wouldn’t have been trivial with my warrior.
-I have done some harder group content with my warrior that was snooze-fest easy but my paladin would have had a tougher time (that disc is godly). These types of scenarios are very uncommon though. They are the exception not the norm.
-Warrior dps is much higher … even factoring massive difference in weapon ratio my two toons have
-warrior takes less damage without disc and there is literally no comparison for the 3 of 7 minutes they evasive is up.

Objectively, Paladin does get the job done better most of the time … at least I know that aggro is 100% always on me. Utility is stellar to boot.

But those implying warriors are “useless in 90% of game content” fall into one of the following buckets

-has never actually owned/leveled/played a well geared warrior
-has never actually played WITH a well geared warrior
-suck at everquest
-is retarded

EverQuest is a really simple game.

[Gloomlord]

Clearly, Warriors are not "useless". However, they only fulfill the niche of enabling raids to happen. In small group content, they are less optimal than a knight and Monk in the tanking department. They also suck at soloing, which is another big con.

EverQuest is indeed a really simple game. So, I don't know why we can't just agree that Warrior is a poorly designed class.

[Troxx]

Yeah no, that is simply not the case. Warriors are fine in small group content.

Less optimal than monk? I’ve got one of those at 60 too. A monk in the modern era (even raid geared) wanting to tank and looking for maximum threat is rocking a 29/30 TStaff with a stun proc unless they are relying solely on white damage. I’m using a 42/43 with a stun proc … but also do have a taint button for what it’s worth. I probably am going to have higher dexterity than a comparably geared monk because of race, starting points invested, and intentionally seeking out dexterity on gear. Beyond that, massive hp advantage and disc use.

Maybe it’s because I’m the weirdo who put all available starting points into dexterity and intentionally sought out dex gear … but I can honestly tell you I have never had threat generation frustrations playing p99.

[Ripqozko]

I dont believe any of yall until DSM reads through 3 hours of logs. I dont want any parses i need pure logs.

[Troxx]

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