Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well i think its silly to punish people who train. Its what makes Everquest unique. You literally cant do it in any other game. But they deemed it toxic, so it punishable. Waking sleeper when the majority of the server doesn't want that to happen is toxic, so should be punishable.

This is a very strange argument to make. If you think it's OK to train people, why is killing Sleeper bad? If you want a wild west game where people can do what they want, I am fine with that on P99, but that goes against the points you made earlier.

You also can't kill Sleeper in any other game, so why is that different from training in your mind? Both are unique.

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you're not going to weasel your way out of it

Stop comparing it to manastone. It's not the same thing.

Some day you will learn just saying stuff does not mean it is correct[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure ok, choice remains in a dictatorship or communism too.

Analogy doesn't work

Devs don't trigger the event

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some day you will learn just saying stuff does not mean it is correct[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol speak your yourself. Your comparison is wrong and always will be be.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you might be a bit too close to the situation man. Waking the sleeper and intentionally training somebody are two different things completely. Training is against PnP and waking the sleeper is arguably an intended mechanic not covered in the PnP because it’s the ultimate guild aspiration to be the ones to do it.

I agree its the ultimate aspiration and ST won that honor. Doing this on a p99 server though is the ultimate guild D*** move also, which is Toxic and should be treated as such as its unique.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree its the ultimate aspiration and ST won that honor. Doing this on a p99 server though is the ultimate guild D*** move also, which is Toxic and should be treated as such as its unique.

You keep using words that you're just defining yourself. "Yes I agree it's totally okay that ST did this, but it is also not okay because it's "toxic"."

I think it's toxic to guilt trip the top guild into never doing the one final thing that you can do in a game they clearly care about. Does that fall under "toxic" or?? How does this work? Join the next seal team if you want that gnome mask or whatever. I mean, stop and consider what we are even arguing about here...

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree its the ultimate aspiration and ST won that honor. Doing this on a p99 server though is the ultimate guild D*** move also, which is Toxic and should be treated as such as its unique.

Yeah I get what you’re saying but to ban everyone involved or even punish anyone to any degree involved would be an unprecedented event of major catastrophe. Why should a guild worry about the repercussions for triggering an intended and original event?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol speak your yourself. Your comparison is wrong and always will be be.

This continues to be an invalid argument, no matter how many times you post it lol.

[Ooloo]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not the other.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point about manastones is that people are not mad about manastones being taken out. We all understand that will happen. We also *should* all understand that the sleeper being awakened is inevitable. It could even happen *by accident*. It therefor makes no sense to be mad about one and not another.

If you wanted a guise on p99 green, you had to sock through the other people who wanted it to get it, before it's too late. If you want warder loot on green, you also had to sock through the other people who want it, before it's too late. It's the same thing.

It's like when somebody claims an analogy is wrong because you're comparing two things that are different. Like yeah that's why it's an analogy; you're showing how two things that are different in some ways (player VS dev controlled) are also similar in more important ways (you knew what you had to do to get item X and you didn't do it, sorry).

If ST had announced in advance (which they did, just by days not months) would that have somehow been better?

Exactly! Thank you for the succinct summation.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep using words that you're just defining yourself. "Yes I agree it's totally okay that ST did this, but it is also not okay because it's "toxic"."

I think it's toxic to guilt trip the top guild into never doing the one final thing that you can do in a game they clearly care about. Does that fall under "toxic" or?? How does this work? Join the next seal team if you want that gnome mask or whatever. I mean, stop and consider what we are even arguing about here...

Well no, my original argument it was a D*** move. Just this thread is getting deeper into the topic. So the very fact that this thread is where its at already shows how toxic this is.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This continues to be an invalid argument, no matter how many times you post it lol.

You've already been slowly conceding my point the entire time.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem is people are getting too hung up on the "player choice" thing.

You're trying to shift the goal posts to save face.