If Free-Speech falls, we're in trouble

[Seducio]

I am unconvinced, but if that works for you then awesome.

Thanks all for the discussion.

[Kaveh]

Facebook and Twitter are a net negative for society. Ban advertising and usury

[Byue]

Do you know about Slothful induction fallacy?
Because we have evidence of actual nazis.

And because we have proof of actual nazis in 2021, and before, under different militia names such as ATOMWAFFEN, to name just one, the burden of proof of saying there is NO actual nazis in 2021 fall upon you. (know your fallacies) I'll be waiting and neo-nazis and nazis is pretty much still nazism.

What about strawman? Nazis aren't the only thing I talked about and was arguably the least important thing I said.

I mean, racists don't wear their KKK dress anymore so if you were waiting for that sign, you're going to wait a while to spot them and just the same, german nazis in uniform are pretty much either dead or living in Argentina about to die.

If you claim there are no nazis, the burden of proof is upon you because everyone can see there are some nazis.

This is turning into a nazi discussion when it was never about nazis and I did nazi that coming.

Read again, and address the issues at hand before talking about a fallacy you do not quite understand.

So, if you want to discuss the points I brought here, I'm willing to talk but stop trying to sound smart, just engage in the discussion.

Freedom of speech is a super narrow concept that only means the government won't arrest you for having an opinion, which it used to do.... all of the time.
If you own a business, and I come in, and start making it uncomfortable for everyone else, I still have the right to free speech but I will still get escorted out because your business is a private property that you own and you can do as you please with.
Facebook is not a physical space but it is still a real business and so is twitter and banning you from their platform is totally legal, just like some states used to have to right to refuse baking a cake for a gay wedding you know.


Freedom of speech includes the right:
Not to speak (specifically, the right not to salute the flag).
West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).
Of students to wear black armbands to school to protest a war (“Students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate.”).
Tinker v. Des Moines, 393 U.S. 503 (1969).
To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
To contribute money (under certain circumstances) to political campaigns.
Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976).
To advertise commercial products and professional services (with some restrictions).
Virginia Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Consumer Council, 425 U.S. 748 (1976); Bates v. State Bar of Arizona, 433 U.S. 350 (1977).
To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).
Freedom of speech does not include the right:
To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “[S]hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
To make or distribute obscene materials.
Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is turning into a nazi discussion when it was never about nazis and I did nazi that coming.

Originally Posted by Cassawary [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was an actual nazi but we chased him off for being terribly unfunny

[FatherSioux]

Of course nazis exist, but who cares? They aren’t a sizable group. Your focus of evil seems limited to one political leaning.

[Byue]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course nazis exist, but who cares? They aren’t a sizable group. Your focus of evil seems limited to one political leaning.

Well one man with a weapon isn't a sizeable group but then if the man decide to use that weapon in a crowd, it can do a lot of damage.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7907091.html

Violence can erupt from all political side but generally, the inclusive left who want to keep the migrants and who want to take your guns is well, you know, friendly and unarmed and the majority of terrorist attacks in the US -designated terrorist, not mass shooters- are far right ideologues and the majority of the mass shooters also are so claiming both side are the same isn't an accurate depiction.

oh the left won and they put in universal healthcare and gave trans people some rights oh no I am against that!
oh the right won and are now taking women's right away, deporting migrants and expanding the for-profit prison complex and expanding the military budget in preparation for war.

very much the same token, uh.

back to the topic at hand: I can say whatever I want and do not go to prison for that and this is effectively free speech.

It is not under attack.
What is under attack is being able to say the most awful things without repercussion.

We got phones, we got screenshots, we got everything to hold you accountable for your words and action and people do not like that very much.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is under attack is being able to say the most awful things without repercussion.

I disagree, both democrats and republicans alike would like to limit our free speech by creating laws that give them the power to moderate it online.

[Byue]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree, both democrats and republicans alike would like to limit our free speech by creating laws that give them the power to moderate it online.

content being moderated online, which is not a public good and ask yourself why that is, doesn't impede your ability to free speech, except to block it online, on a privately owned platform but you can still voice all of these things out loud without fear of arrest or reprisal by your government.

Are you allowed to discuss politics at work? Can you express your opinion, at work?
Can you bring a big political sign through disney world gate? trick question: can you burn your draft paper in protest?
why are you concerned about this, then?

and why aren't you concerned that there are no public places to discuss, anymore: only shops and private companies. Europeans have plazas, huge sidewalk, parks to gather in for FREE and you have facebook so obviously, I understand why you are concerned because the only place where you can voice your opinion and have public discussion about a variety of topic is under the thumb of a privately owned company who can moderate you and it feels more wrong than capitalism stealing all our avenues of public speaking. I get that.
But please tell me how me going to your place and cussing in front of your child and you asking me if I can stop cussing in front of your child is preventing my free speech.
I am in your home, this is your castle, your rules.
I am welcome to say that you *cuss word* outside of your home and there's nothing you'll be able to do, then.

[Cassawary]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

back to the topic at hand: I can say whatever I want and do not go to prison for that and this is effectively free speech.

It is not under attack.
What is under attack is being able to say the most awful things without repercussion.

We got phones, we got screenshots, we got everything to hold you accountable for your words and action and people do not like that very much.

The internet is serious business.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We got phones, we got screenshots, we got everything to hold you accountable for your words and action and people do not like that very much.

Imagine this douche of an idea back around 2000.. "I got snaps of you on a messageboard.. you know, on the Internet that no one will take serious."

Hit the door, cellphone twerp.