Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Ligma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe the thing about invis not breaking charm. Keep in mind that would also mean you can have a charm pet and be invis, which adds another powerful ability.

Yeah I mean, I would probably prefer invis not breaking charm. I can dispel my pet easily, but the ability to invis your pet and yourself (or even double invis your pet and yourself with a partner? lol) would be... Hah. That'd be something else.

[mystiek]

enchanters are supposed to do CC and buff. period.
charming was not this powerful.
you are not DPS and never was.

[Izmael]

Despite the OP being obnoxious at promoting his thesis, he actually has a point. We didn't run around soloing Efreeti back in classic. We shouldn't do it on Green/Teal either.

I think we might as well just disable charm on Green/Teal. It IS a powerful spell and back then wasn't used nearly as much (for technological reasons, but that's not important).

To further match Grean/Teal's experience with the one people had back then, simply taking charm out of the picture, until the final patch hits, might be the way to go. Unclassic change for a classic'er experience - P99 has done it before (and rightly so. Examples are Chardok AE, Epic item min level 46, etc).

This will promote grouping as opposed to solo / duo, and that's definitely IS a good thing for the progression servers.

[Nirgon]

People had max CHA and reliably charmed Blizzardwalker and other giants against AOW.

CHA is doing what it is supposed to.

If you're not good enough at Enchanter and mad other people are, and resorting to this... whew.

[Wurl]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're not good enough at Enchanter and mad other people are, and resorting to this... whew.

Actually, we're just trying to make the server more classic.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Wurl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, we're just trying to make the server more classic.

Go read about the history of AOW being killed for the first time with charmed mobs. Charm itself wasn't even changed as a result.

Frozen Jesus is frowning hard as hell right now at the whining.

[Bazia]

nothing classic about being in HHK and theres two charming enchanters in gob basement 2 charming enchanters clearing first floor guards a high level charm enchanter soloing second floor guards
another charming enchanter soloing nobles and yes even another charming enchanter and mage duo clearing third and fourth floor

shits getting stupid real quick

[Dolalin]

All the speculation about CHA in these chanter charming guides is basically useless, nobody was doing any objective testing until people started doing it in those links I posted earlier. It's all feels and old wives tales and people believing their own superstitious nonsense. The effect on charm was tiny and got lost in the noise.

(There was good evidence for an effect on mez, but that's not the issue here.)

Tashan always had a big impact though and it's plain to see in the testing done back then. The effect of MR on charm breaks was massive.

I'd love to swing the nerf bat at chanters but so far I haven't seen classic evidence to justify it, or where you would even swing it. The mechanics on p99 are pretty faithful to classic it seems?

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothing classic about being in HHK and theres two charming enchanters in gob basement 2 charming enchanters clearing first floor guards a high level charm enchanter soloing second floor guards
another charming enchanter soloing nobles and yes even another charming enchanter and mage duo clearing third and fourth floor

shits getting stupid real quick

[Onadan]

I have no evidence but chiming in that, in general, the random chance of spell breaking before its time seems too low. Invis lasts forever, root lasts forever, and it sounds like charm lasts forever as well.