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[Lune]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The belief that life is meaningless comes from the idea that mindless chaos created the universe. But consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.

Life being meaningless is not an atheist belief. The only atheist belief is that there is no God. Everything beyond that is an individual belief, because unlike organized religion, atheism has no dogma. Some atheists believe life is meaningless, some believe we create our own meaning. And no, you seeing the reflection of your own values in your understanding of the universe in no way makes atheism delusional, it just highlights how naive you are about the physical sciences, and I'd be surprised if you knew anything about the "functionality" of the universe at all beyond what you read in the writings of a medieval warlord.

You don't even seem to comprehend that somebody could develop a moral code and live an ethical life without it being forced on them by organized religion and the threat of eternal suffering. It's really quite simple: I don't do bad things to people because I care about the well-being of others. I recognize that these values are probably predicated on a genetic predisposition to behaviors conducive to social cohesion, and that I synthesized cultural values to build on an instinctual foundation. Human beings evolved as highly social and gregarious creatures, which modulated our cognitions in favor of certain values. We have an entire cortex of our cerebrum dedicated solely to this.

That someone can't be moral without religion is really one of the most ignorant arguments a person can make. If anything, the opposite seems more plausible: a person who derives their morality solely from the mandate of a higher power isn't even capable of actual morality, and is just a pawn and hostage. Luckily I know enough about the way shit actually works to know this isn't true either. You get the majority of your values from your culture, not your religion.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Sal
Well, imo, not just that, but as far as these english translations, where the usage of "God" is often used, it should really be "Allah" by it's context.

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu? In monotheistic religions that is pretty standard and should always be translated to English with God.

No one in monotheistic religions - not even muslimic fundamentalists who enjoy cutting people's heads off - claims that there is anything but one God. And Jesus is a prophet in Islam.

Oh btw: Fuck all religion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

yahweh and allah are both names, not monikers. god, gott, dios, dieu are all monikers.

yahweh (god of abraham) and allah (god of abraham) are the same entity.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.

The absence of a creator does not preclude the possibility of an ordered nature, but I would question strongly your proposition that it is. All atheism does is make for a more inspiring universe. But from a position of profound ignorance, there is nothing at all impressive about it if it is the product of a single omnipotent being.

If you're saying that religious people only believe to make themselves feel better because they can't bear a meaningless existence, then that's true for some, but not all, and the same can be said for Atheists. It feels great to tell yourself that you can do whatever you want if you don't get caught because nothing matters in the end and you'll cease to exist anyway. Its a criminal mentality even if some Atheists claim to have morals.

Certainly, there are a variety of reasons that may be at play in any individual's belief.

A state doesn't fix that. It usually makes it worse because it creates a guise they can hide behind. So "the state" can take the blame, like how we blame the "government" instead individuals who actually run it who have different beliefs and morals.

You're right it doesn't, but that is not what I was talking about. That would be more like contemporary Chinese society where people ignore babies who have been run over. I was talking about culture, which persists in the absence of government. Take a look at Japanese behavior in he aftermath of Fukushima and you will see what I am talking about.

I see nothing wrong with individualism though. Why do you call it a scourge?

Because not all ideas are equally valid and not all ambitions are equally praiseworthy. It is more the US perversion of individualism that I take issue with. People should be free to express themselves as they see fit, but if there are no standards by which individuals abide and are able to discriminate, there is no order and can be no progress. Tempering individualism is a strength of religion.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whipping and cutting yourself is most definitely not a catholic tradition, just like protesting military funerals like Westboro Baptist Church isn't a baptist tradition.

You can't put the spotlight on a few freaks and attribute their behavior to the whole. That's true with religion (radical jihadists vs all muslims), police (few bad apples vs police as a whole) etc.

A few buddy?

Heres just one Catholic organization that preaches exactly the doctrine I spoke of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

100,000 strong (actual figure is classified again and secret as of 2009ish), many of which are in powerful positions within the Church (many clergy, many priests, even some bishops) and spread and promote their agenda. I'd say a total of at least 200 million are affected by this faction's doctrine alone world wide.

They are the Catholic Church and have standing and recognition within the Church.

Bad fucking analogy with the Westboro Baptist Church. Fucking bad. Not even remotely close.

P.S. When I say "even some bishops" its not just a few..

Affiliated Bishops, Living
•Antonio Arregui Yarza (Priest: 13 Mar 1964 to 4 Jan 1990)
•Juan Ignacio Arrieta Ochoa de Chinchetru (Priest: 23 Aug 1977 to 12 Apr 2008)
•Hugo Nicolás Barbaro (Priest: 15 Aug 1980 to 22 Apr 2008)
•Levi Bonatto, Opus Dei (Priest: 10 Mar 1996 to 8 Oct 2014)
•Ignacio Carrasco de Paula (Priest: 8 Aug 1966 to 30 Jun 2010)
•Fernando José Castro Aguayo (Priest: 31 May 1984 to 27 Jun 2009)
•Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne (Priest: 21 Aug 1977 to 23 May 1988)
•Alfonso Rogelio Delgado Evers (Priest: 23 Jun 1970 to 20 Mar 1986)
•Antônio Augusto Dias Duarte (Priest: 15 Aug 1978 to 12 Jan 2005)
•Javier Echevarría Rodríguez (Priest: 7 Aug 1955; Prelate: 20 Apr 1994)
•Jaime Rafael Fuentes Martín (Priest: 5 Aug 1973 to 16 Oct 2010)
•Ricardo García García (Priest: 12 Jun 1983 to 12 Oct 2004)
•Luis Gleisner Wobbe (Priest: 11 Aug 1963 to 3 Jul 1991)
•José Horacio Gómez Velasco (Priest: 15 Aug 1978 to 23 Jan 2001)
•Juan Ignacio González Errázuriz (Priest: 13 Jun 1993 to 10 Oct 2003)
•Julián Herranz Casado (Priest: 7 Aug 1955 to 15 Dec 1990)
•Philippe Jean-Charles Jourdan (Priest: 20 Aug 1988 to 1 Apr 2005)
•Klaus Küng (Priest: 23 Aug 1970 to 21 Jan 1989)
•Stephen Lee Bun Sang (Priest: 20 Aug 1988 to 11 Jul 2014)
•Carlos Lema Garcia (Priest: 2 Jun 1985 to 30 Apr 2014)
•Rafael Llano Cifuentes (Priest: 20 Dec 1959 to 4 Apr 1990)
•Anthony Muheria (Priest: 13 Jun 1993 to 30 Oct 2003)
•Francisco Polti Santillán (Priest: 11 Aug 1963 to 13 Jul 1994)
•Hugo Eugenio Puccini Banfi (Priest: 27 Aug 1967 to 9 Dec 1977)
•Jaume Pujol Balcells (Priest: 5 Aug 1973 to 15 Jun 2004)
•Fernando Sáenz Lacalle (Priest: 9 Aug 1959 to 22 Dec 1984)
•Juan Antonio Ugarte Pérez (Priest: 27 Aug 1967 to 18 Aug 1983)
•Richard James Umbers (Priest: 1 Sep 2002 to 24 Jun 2016)

I can't even care to count them. Over 30 bishops of the Catholic Church. Yeah, I'll stick with my 200 million figure as a reach that this doctrine has.

You are being incredibly ignorant and naïve here. Try doing some actual research and reading and get some facts before speaking about something you are apparently clueless on.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu? In monotheistic religions that is pretty standard and should always be translated to English with God.

What, tl;dr? It doesn't.
And to say God is God is not considered acceptable by muslims, not from the English as I understand it. It must be exclusively Aramaic. imo obviously because it doesn't translate right.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yahweh and allah are both names, not monikers. god, gott, dios, dieu are all monikers.

yahweh (god of abraham) and allah (god of abraham) are the same entity.

Actually it's:
Yahweh “I AM WHO I AM” or I AM THAT I AM. Personal usage (i.e. I name myself etc.).
Allah "The god" Ĕlāhā, or Alaha. Impersonal usage (i.e. I name you etc.).

The same Thegod carved onto temples to the pagan moon-god, Allah or Ĕlāhā. No, they are not the same, not in name nor context, and where context is prevalent to the issue i.e. deeds. It's like the difference in name and context of Hasbinbad and Hasbin or Has Been. It's more rooted in the interfaith movement to mix and match, like what the pope hat has been doing, moving towards a new one world religion along with his anti-capitalist and political movement. But Islam isn't a compatible religion, it's an ideology, it's mostly political, and one of war and conquest. Any real unity is coming from their (Islam and Catholicism) political and economic aspects, which is based on the ideology aspect.

[Hasbinbad]

they are still names, rofl.

[big_ole_jpn]

apollo isnt my dog's name retard. its his moniker

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu?

No, it most certainly doesn't. Do a little reading you ignorant cuck. Allah was the name of A god before "Islam" ever came about. The equivocation with God of the Bible is a modern thing.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it most certainly doesn't. Do a little reading you ignorant cuck. Allah was the name of A god before "Islam" ever came about. The equivocation with God of the Bible is a modern thing.

This. Lot of ignorant cucks posting ITT.

There is a zog agenda to homogenize the religions and imply that Allah is also an Abrahamic god.

The Jews are staunch supporters of multiculturalism (when it involves you and everyone else, not them). And this Allah = Abrahamic god thing is their modern concoction.