Stop the Socking

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't see how foot racing or CotHing are any different in their competitiveness.

One actually includes the word "race" in it, which sounds alot more like competition? The other one sounds an awful lot like a macro.

[khanable]

The biggest issue I see with socking is the circumstances that cause it: variance

Shit isn't classic. We've had 96 hour windows and guilds were not afraid to sock it. You want to get rid of socking? Massively reduce variance.

C/C/R, full FFA repops, 1 hour windows, each class makes their own dumb rules

everyone gets to go outside

[kaev]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The biggest issue I see with socking is the circumstances that cause it: variance

Shit isn't classic. We've had 96 hour windows and guilds were not afraid to sock it. You want to get rid of socking? Massively reduce variance.

C/C/R, full FFA repops, 1 hour windows, each class makes their own dumb rules

everyone gets to go outside

You had to go and spoil it, didn't you? Now nobody will ever agree to reduced variance. Vegetables like sunlight, neckbeards not so much, I'd have thought you understood that by now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gimp]

C/C/R with much reduced variance definitely gets my vote. No more of this stupid FFA with cothduck mages and all the other stupid shit that happens.

More earthquake repops too. Those are fun.

[khanable]

Seems like Taken doesn't want to give up COTHing because you're willing to go that extra mile and win some FFA, with foot races you have less of a chance due to TMO/IB already doing that themselves in C, and Chest agrees with Taken because he doesn't like to agree with TMO/IB

ya'll are being dumb

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like Taken doesn't want to give up COTHing because you're willing to go that extra mile and win some FFA, with foot races you have less of a chance due to TMO/IB already doing that themselves in C, and Chest agrees with Taken because he doesn't like to agree with TMO/IB

I'm agreeing with Taken because foot racing is just as stupid as coth ducking, AND because I don't like to agree with TMO/IB. Get it straight.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like Taken doesn't want to give up COTHing because you're willing to go that extra mile and win some FFA, with foot races you have less of a chance due to TMO/IB already doing that themselves in C, and Chest agrees with Taken because he doesn't like to agree with TMO/IB

ya'll are being dumb

I'm more than happy to give up CotHing. It's just that with 16 hour windows where no spawns overlap, or respawns, the 'race' is bound to be stupid in whatever form it takes.

So what's the difference between CotHing and Foot Racing. Let's remove CotH ducking from the equation for a moment.

What happens:

Mob spawns
-CotH- Person CotHs dude near dragon but not in aggro range
-CotH- Dude runs towards dragons and attempts to /tar and /Jav first

Mob spawns
-Foot Race- Person shouts in TS/Vent/Guild chat that mob spawns
-Foot Race- Dude runs towards dragons location and attempts to /tar and /jav first

In both situations, you have the same thing happening, except the "race" ends up leading to more trains in a Foot Race in certain zones (with see invis). The only difference is the time it takes to get to the mob. Still requires you have people available all window, at two locations, a starting/zone line and at the spawn.

Outdoor dragons that roam require some coordination between mobs pathing and the foot racer.
Indoor static spawns require some sort of tested "fastest path from zone in to mob" that all must learn... A bit of strategy in which path you take in KC for example to get to VS. But thats no big deal just another thing to learn when FTEing.

Full repops with no respawns would foster more healthy competition (see no tracking, socking or CotHing). But that keeps getting shot down.

[khanable]

There is no fucking way foot races are as bad as CoTH ducking

CoTH ducking:
1) Sit at computer
2) Cast CoTH every 10s
3) Watch spawn location
4) If no pop, duck, if pop, don't duck, yell at tagger to get off youporn

Foot Race:
1) Sit at computer
2) Watch spawn
3) If spawn, tell racer to get off youporn and run

3<4

[kotton05]

Cucumber for prez.

Also I can be down for ccr with reduced variance foot racing. But I do love FFA and watching the rage that insues when BDA loses a mob.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cucumber for prez.

Also I can be down for ccr with reduced variance foot racing. But I do love FFA and watching the rage that insues when BDA loses a mob.

I too love FFA - but if we want a "level" FFA field, especially in Kunark, the only way it'll happen is with a random repop.

Now it's a test of mobilization and target selection instead of who can come up with the most retarded tracking/engagement techniques.

Lots of fun. Lots of QQ, too, I'm sure.