The Reptilian RL Iksar Thread!

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Azure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading whats left of this thread makes me proud of my posts... and secure in my intelligence

Me too

[valarmorghulis]

Originally Posted by Rellapse40 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just b/c your christian beliefs may not support this does not mean we did not evolve from reptiles.

The oldest most primitive part of our brain has reptilian in it's name.

If there were never people thinking outside the box (like you) and believed in just shit they can see. The world would still be flat.

Has nothing to do with my beliefs whatsoever. It has everything to do with facts. We did not evolve from reptiles and just because someone decided to say we have a reptilian part of the brain doesn't mean we actually do. All it means is that we have a part of the brain which is responsible for more instinctual actions like a reptiles.

Also ROFL at your last sentence. You do realize that being able to observe something is a fundamental requirement of science right?

Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Notice how it says observation AND experiment? It's rather important because if it can't be observed then it isn't science. Show me an experiment of a reptile producing something other than a reptile please? Oh it takes millions of years and therefor isn't observable so you can't actually show anyone that it can actually happen? How convenient. However and unfortunately for you, it's not science by the very definition of the word.

You don't understand the implications of sexual reproduction.

Your idea doesn't hold water because only asexual organisms are clones of their parents.

If you cannot grasp how populations can change over time due to variance in the size and shape of an organisms body parts in response to changing environmental conditions you have not been educated sufficiently.

Speciation has been observed and studied in the field.

Read "The Beak of the Finch".

Sorry but you're wrong. Nobody argues that populations can change over time, that's rather obvious. However, what is argued is the extent to which a population can change. No living thing can change into a different kind of organism than what it is. I've read "The Break of the Finch" but guess what, they are all finches. This is microevolution. Nobody argues that finches can appear differently from one to the next but finches are ALWAYS going to be finches. Much like how no two snow flakes are ever the same, no life form is ever the same. Even "identical" twins are never the same. Show me a finch producing something that isn't a finch or show me something that isn't a finch producing one. That would be the version of evolution you falsely think exists.

[Rellapse40]

Originally Posted by valarmorghulis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has nothing to do with my beliefs whatsoever. It has everything to do with facts. We did not evolve from reptiles and just because someone decided to say we have a reptilian part of the brain doesn't mean we actually do.

prove it

[rgostic]

Originally Posted by valarmorghulis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but you're wrong. Nobody argues that populations can change over time, that's rather obvious. However, what is argued is the extent to which a population can change. No living thing can change into a different kind of organism than what it is. I've read "The Break of the Finch" but guess what, they are all finches. This is microevolution. Nobody argues that finches can appear differently from one to the next but finches are ALWAYS going to be finches. Much like how no two snow flakes are ever the same, no life form is ever the same. Even "identical" twins are never the same. Show me a finch producing something that isn't a finch or show me something that isn't a finch producing one. That would be the version of evolution you falsely think exists.

Your brain doesn't comprehend the scale of geologic time.

Whenever a physically distinct portion of a population begins to mate exclusively with itself in order to preserve a morphological advantage, a new species is born.

With enough time and enough change, eventually the classification system which humans created to name and sort the organisms we observe will dictate that a particular population can no longer be called a finch.

Environmental conditions cause patterns to form in the variance of a new generation's physical traits.

You are being fooled by both your inability to think on a time scale which dwarfs your existence and the categorical classification systems our biologists created to make sense of the continuum which describes these natural processes.

Evolution doesn't occur at the snap of a finger.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by rgostic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your brain doesn't comprehend the scale of geologic time.

Whenever a physically distinct portion of a population begins to mate exclusively with itself in order to preserve a morphological advantage, a new species is born.

With enough time and enough change, eventually the classification system which humans created to name and sort the organisms we observe will dictate that a particular population can no longer be called a finch.

Environmental conditions cause patterns to form in the variance of a new generation's physical traits.

You are being fooled by both your inability to think on a time scale which dwarfs your existence and the categorical classification systems our biologists created to make sense of the continuum which describes these natural processes.

Evolution doesn't occur at the snap of a finger.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...-in-real-time/

[Azure]

There is also: Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab for those people who aren't convinced by the geologic record.

Evolution through natural selection has been observed in scientific settings.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...-in-real-time/

Radditsu's link is much better.

[rgostic]

Radditsu, the article in your link demonstrates an important idea we began to notice a few decades ago.

Marked changes within a population can occur in just a few generations.

The rate at which evolution can occur is tied directly to the length of the organisms reproductive cycle.

This means microevolution is absolutely something an individual can observe within his or her lifetime, especially within bacteria.

Evolution still does not occur at the snap of a finger.

Evolution does occur much faster than classical biologists assumed.

They just thought you couldn't see the steps.

[Glenzig]

From the article Raditsu posted.
"In further testing to determine if the new bacteria were different enough to qualify as a new species, Lenski’s researchers found that beyond changes to the genes responsible for glucose and citrate consumption, other changes had occurred in the organism that had made it less fit to survive in a glucose-only environment,

“We find they are getting less fit in the ancestral niche over time,” Lenski said. “I would argue that citrate users are — or are becoming — a new species.”

So if these bacteria were not moved to a citrate rich environment, wouldn't they just die of in a few more generations?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by valarmorghulis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.

The jury is no longer out in regards to Evolution. It has been observed. It has been proven.