OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plenty of ways to track the legitimacy of a new guild appearing our of nowhere.

This is why a weekly point system would work wonders.

Oh I really do like the point system, I am just afraid that the cunning of humans will get the best of us in the end. Someone will try it... Awareness is key! If suddenly <existing small guild name here> have an influx of lvl 60's, im pretty sure they magically got some alts from <insert guild name here> or a new guild pops up of lvl 1 toons that power to 60 and start <uberguild4> as an alt guild.

I hope officers from guilds will come to a good conclusion before the raid ban starts!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What ever happened to Sloan's 2 hour rule? It was extremely simple, unbiased, and allows everyone to be on the same competitive playing field. The majority of people voted for it in a poll already.
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The 2 hour rule does not help casuals. It still requires tracking, it creates a defacto rotation, and the majority of the kills will still go to the guilds that go the extra mile.

No matter what, the 2 hour rule creates a system of rotation. Last killer must wait 2 hours? The 2nd guild gets it. Last 2 killers must wait 2 hours, the 3rd gets it. So on and so on. It becomes a rotation between the organizations that can field a raid at all hours.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except once we do end up with more kills we become a "Rank A" and then get ground into carrion again just like old times. except now its even worse because we cant even get the mobs we normally could have gotten in the previous environment because of our new "rank"

So you want be be a special case and be exempt from both statuses? What are you getting at here. You're complaining about getting more kills.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except once we do end up with more kills we become a "Rank A" and then get ground into carrion again just like old times. except now its even worse because we cant even get the mobs we normally could have gotten in the previous environment because of our new "rank"

That is one part of it that needs to be looked at. This is a proposal after all and not a final draft. Again I don't think it goes far enough myself.

[Nlaar]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont support your post in absolutely any form what so ever, and I have zero room to compromise on it. It is beyond missing the point and does absolutely NOTHING to address rogean's concerns about the raid scene and CSR incolvement.

Please read rogeans requests for a shared raid scene, with no CSR involvement and go back to the drawing board.

Sorry mate but all bets are off here, we should be friends but not one fuckin person seems to be taking Rogeans words seriously, and I wont take a clown like you fucking my leisure time with such a shit agreement. The 36 second DA stall bullshit takes the cake.

STALLING MOBS IS FUCKING RETARDED.

Do you have any comprehension of what Rogean wants? As it isnt one guild able to take ALL mobs on the server, and then a token scrap throw every month to the poor people.

Motec <Inglourious Basterds - but probably not for long>

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love the responses of the vocal "hardcores". "Why don't we just give everybody epics?" "You want us to kill everything for you too?"

Just because we do not wish to compete at the retarded level of alt army poopsocking that you do does not mean that we do not wish to compete. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS

So you don't have to then. For the listed mobs during the listed times.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want be be a special case and be exempt from both statuses? What are you getting at here. You're complaining about getting more kills.

lol cause there would be "more" kills for any guild that got moved up to group a.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what if a current guild legitimately splits for whatever reason? Maybe half the guild doesn't hold with the other half's ideals anymore and wants out...?

Do they not get to raid? How do you tell if its legitimate?

What if TMO sticks all of it's alts in bob guild? the FBI? Knights? Evil Empire? how will you know whats a legitimate guild and what's not?

Can't just say there's 'plenty of ways' to track the legitimacy of a new guild. It's a lot harder than you think.

Again, if you all agree on a points system, no problem. But you'd better have a way to deal with this situation not if, but when, it arises.

You keep spouting this.

Let them split if they want legitimately. If they are skilled and will put in the time to be a successful smaller guild, fine.

If they throw their alts into another guild to circumvent the situation, they will be found out. No guild wants to harbor cheaters and face serious repercussions.

It's much easier than you think as long as the punishment is severe. The more severe the punishment, the less likely that it will ever bare fruit.

I'm surprised you're so narrow sighted.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will act as Emperor of Project 1999.

All in favor?

Dibs on Empress.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what if a current guild legitimately splits for whatever reason? Maybe half the guild doesn't hold with the other half's ideals anymore and wants out...?

Do they not get to raid? How do you tell if its legitimate?

What if TMO sticks all of it's alts in bob guild? the FBI? Knights? Evil Empire? how will you know whats a legitimate guild and what's not?

Can't just say there's 'plenty of ways' to track the legitimacy of a new guild. It's a lot harder than you think.

Again, if you all agree on a points system, no problem. But you'd better have a way to deal with this situation not if, but when, it arises.

I don't think a point system would punish guilds that legitimately split, because the server wouldn't be flooded with guilds all of a sudden, we'd get one more. If TMO split into an elite faction that wants to compete like ATeam does with a minimalist way of thinking, more power to them. A point system like mine still means guilds have to compete with each other like they do now. There is just a cap that they would hit so target priority is more important.

Any guild that splits would compete with who they split from. The point system isn't guaranteed mobs - its a hard cap to limit guilds from taking too much of the mob pie.

I'm still all for a guild having to be established for a few months before they can get in on the points, anyway.