Nocturne

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible actually. Not really sure why this is even a point continually brought up by atheists but I suppose it's par for the course with atheist thinking. Talk first, think later and such.

Is this the same passage that talks about the sea serpents/leviathans that have never existed? Or are you taking half of it literally and the other half symbolically?

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People only choke when they are too fucking retarded to know how to eat properly. It's called being careful. Hey you can stub your toes too, I guess that means we aren't intelligently designed guys! Having to be careful must mean we aren't intelligently designed, makes perfect sense!

Very scientific and observational explanation there. I'm sure you are the intellectual in your group of friends too. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it's self evident to anyone with common sense. All you do is take God and replace it with "time did it".

You're the only person who ever said that time did something. Time never does anything, time isn't a thing which can perform actions.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time cannot cause impossible things to occur.

You don't seem to understand the difference between "impossible" which can't be qualified/quantified no matter how hard you try and "Impossible within our current realm of understanding". 1000 years ago it was "impossible" to cure a simple disease such as malaria, 100 years ago it would was "impossible" to launch rockets into orbit or to other bodies within the solar system.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God on the other hand can.

So can Q in star trek, doesn't make him any more real than your god is. Evidence please (oh wait, I've asked you 10 times for evidence and you have none, you keep spouting "common sense")

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Massive solar system with a super complex star at the center of it, ergo time did it! Super complex planet with a self sustaining ecosystem and millions of different complex species created by self replicating microscopic biomachinary...time did it!

Actually the sun is simply made of Hydrogen and Helium super-heated due to a combination of the pressure caused it's own gravitational force and motion caused by interstellar constants. That heat causes fission which allows simpler atoms/elements to combine into more complex elements.
The earth is a result of the combination of many more elements that were created in the cores of older generations of stars coming together because of the same forces but because there is less mass involved it turned into the rocky planetoid that you know as earth. It's not very difficult, it's only "common sense" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the rest of that, you're talking about Abiogenesis, and since you're the only one in this thread that cares about abiogenesis and it has nothing to do with evolution, you can stop talking about it or go fuck yourself. Your choice.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's common sense that the more complex something is, the more intelligent the person that made it. When confronted with something that is seemingly infinitely complex, logic suggests that a being with seemingly infinite intelligence probably made it. There is nothing narrow with this view of the universe. Suggesting that everything is just a random product of time + chance is whats truly narrow.

You don't seem to understand the concepts of common sense or logic. Coming to the most convenient conclusion that has zero evidence is neither of those things.
"God did it" isn't an answer, it's an escape from having to ask questions because you are afraid to come up with real answers.

[Hasbinbad]

Give our species sex.

Makes some people fat, ugly, and rageful.

Thanks for rape, God.

[Hasbinbad]

Creates the existence in seven days 6,000 years ago.

Fills the layers of earth with bones that appear to be millions of years old and rock formations that appear to be billions of years old.

Thanks God.

[Hitchens]

Sorry having a little fun offends your spergsense.

[Hitchens]

Praise Moloch.

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[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is scientific evidence of Gods involvement all over the place. All science even does is reverse engineer the systems which govern the universe. Where did these things come from? The only logical conclusion is that they came from a being of infinite intelligence. There is a direct relationship between how complex something is and how intelligent the person that made it is. For instance look at the difference between cars now and cars when they were first invented. Now that we have become more intelligent and have a far better understanding of how things like aerodynamics, engines etc work, we are able to make much better cars. This same logic can literally be applied to every single thing a human has ever made proving there is a direct correlation between complexity and intelligence.

You're banned from using the word logic. You didn't use it correctly before, you are still not using it correctly now.
Having a magical "answer" (it's in quotes because it's not actually an answer) to every single solitary unknown is the very thing that logic prevents intelligent people from having. You don't just leave a problem with all of the variables unsolved and call the problem solved, you also don't change all of those variables into ones and call it solved either. That's as illogical of a conclusion that can possibly be reached.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now let's take a look at a star. Essentially it's just a massive self-sustaining nuclear reactor that is capable of generating energy for billions of years. Scientists have been able to reverse engineer the processes that allow a star to do what it does, only on a much smaller and far less efficient scale. The more we learn about nuclear fission and other related sciences the better the nuclear reactor we are able to make. So knowing that a star is really just a much more advanced version of a nuclear reactor that man is capable of making, doesn't it stand to reason that it was created by a much more intelligent being? I know common sense and atheists go together like oil and water but seriously this is such basic shit that even a 1st grader could grasp it.

Fusion and Fission are two very different things (they are actually the exact opposite of one another). Einstein did not reverse engineer a star to create the first nuclear reactor, he used the scientific method and extrapolated upon knowledge that already existed using a method of weeding out the bad information both which already existed and had come up in his own theories only to be left with information that was testable and provable and most importantly, worked.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inserting God into the equation has nothing to do with our lack of understanding something but actually the exact opposite. We have such a good understanding that the only way most things are even possible is there HAS to be a being with seemingly infinite intelligence. How can something so unbelievably advanced like a star, just form randomly and for no reason? Nuclear fission requires an extremely advanced knowledge of multiple scientific fields and requires extremely precise calculations, so precise in fact that you literally have to be completely brain dead to think it could ever happen by chance.

We can see them forming in nebulae right now, gravity is not "random", and taking an excess of 'x' amount of hydrogen and allowing gravity to do the rest is not something that takes complex or precise calculations to happen.
Stop talking about scientific fields as if you know anything about them because you have proven yet again that you know absolutely nothing about any of these subjects.

You've also yet to provide one single shred of evidence.
"Hey look around", "It's obvious", "logically, (insert barf of illogic here)" are not evidence.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is scientific evidence of Gods involvement all over the place. All science even does is reverse engineer the systems which govern the universe. Where did these things come from? The only logical conclusion is that they came from a being of infinite intelligence. There is a direct relationship between how complex something is and how intelligent the person that made it is. For instance look at the difference between cars now and cars when they were first invented. Now that we have become more intelligent and have a far better understanding of how things like aerodynamics, engines etc work, we are able to make much better cars. This same logic can literally be applied to every single thing a human has ever made proving there is a direct correlation between complexity and intelligence.

Now let's take a look at a star. Essentially it's just a massive self-sustaining nuclear reactor that is capable of generating energy for billions of years. Scientists have been able to reverse engineer the processes that allow a star to do what it does, only on a much smaller and far less efficient scale. The more we learn about nuclear fission and other related sciences the better the nuclear reactor we are able to make. So knowing that a star is really just a much more advanced version of a nuclear reactor that man is capable of making, doesn't it stand to reason that it was created by a much more intelligent being? I know common sense and atheists go together like oil and water but seriously this is such basic shit that even a 1st grader could grasp it.

Inserting God into the equation has nothing to do with our lack of understanding something but actually the exact opposite. We have such a good understanding that the only way most things are even possible is there HAS to be a being with seemingly infinite intelligence. How can something so unbelievably advanced like a star, just form randomly and for no reason? Nuclear fission requires an extremely advanced knowledge of multiple scientific fields and requires extremely precise calculations, so precise in fact that you literally have to be completely brain dead to think it could ever happen by chance.

the above post is noteworthy for its bold and decisive departure from the bounds of logic

press on, young trailblazer

[Glitch]

Can I just point out that every single person in this thread is getting blatantly trolled?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Glitch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can I just point out that every single person in this thread is getting blatantly trolled?

I am aware of this I just do not like to see people trying to dump all over someone for their beliefs especially to the point of trying to insinuate someone is a subhuman genetic inferior redneck for being religious.

I don't know who Nocturne is or who is being serious in this thread and who is just trolling , but I find it hypocritical of some of the posters to claim that there is no absolute truth while insisting on being right.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am aware of this I just do not like to see people trying to dump all over someone for their beliefs especially to the point of trying to insinuate someone is a subhuman genetic inferior redneck for being religious.

I don't know who Nocturne is or who is being serious in this thread and who is just trolling , but I find it hypocritical of some of the posters to claim that there is no absolute truth while insisting on being right.

The troll is attempting to troll glitch.