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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by America [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

me too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] and love, also!

that is evident in your posting. super happy for you, J ^^

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by America [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I agree with this. The question is whether self-censorship will be an effective enough damper on the forces we are combating to prevent the inexorable draw of the masses toward tyranny.

I hope so. It seems genuinely effective though no solution is 100% effective. We will never achieve perfection in this regard.

I believe lowering poverty and disease would help. I am not saying "make everything safe and remove predation". A distinct lack of adversity creates apathy as well. Far be it for me to do anything but dream. We will have periods of growth and decline that foster enlightened behavior or dampen it. That is where I am stuck in my rational outlook towards all of this.

I believe I was saved from enacting a violent end by the standards the military required me to meet. The end result was that I was able to take responsibility for my mental and physical health. That is only one path.

Aside, I don't believe it will be necessary to neuter men into trannies, that was only viable for me because I am not indeed a man. Other options abound. This kid probably needed the priesthood or a good father figure.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

glad you ain't there no more ^^ for me, i found meaning and balance in work/discipline. it's the reason I push back on ideas of unconditioned help or resources. i look back and think, hey, if I'd been made to do more when I was younger, i wouldn't have struggled so much when I was older. hard to develop skillsets withiuf doing anything.

Yes

[d3r14k]

Self censorship will never be enough. People will always create and say whatever they want to convey, joke or no. You also can't regulate by the platform. Users will very quickly jump ship and choose an unregulated avenue or create a new one.

Are memes really the problem here? I read about this dude a bit over lunch and while I'm probably still pretty uninformed (comparatively), I feel like he was an angry dude who used memes as a means of conveyance, because he knew it would be effective to spread. This is the same for the live stream he released. I was looking this up to try to research how much of an insensitive prick I was accidentally being earler and what was the #1 search related to this?

Watch mosque shooting livestream

What this guy did was horrible, but he certainly knew the best way for exposure. My point is, the racist memes are just a symptom of a much deeper rooted problem. Memes aren't the problem themselves. It's like if newspapers had a bunch of racist articles and everyone proclaimed newspapers were a racist institution. No, newspapers were just the vehicle for that particular racist message.

[America]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is evident in your posting. super happy for you, J ^^

you started me along in my recovery, dear. you didn't have to call me out. just to be the shining person you are.

[misterbonkers]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Self censorship will never be enough. People will always create and say whatever they want to convey, joke or no. You also can't regulate by the platform. Users will very quickly jump ship and choose an unregulated avenue or create a new one.

Are memes really the problem here? I read about this dude a bit over lunch and while I'm probably still pretty uninformed (comparatively), I feel like he was an angry dude who used memes as a means of conveyance, because he knew it would be effective to spread. This is the same for the live stream he released. I was looking this up to try to research how much of an insensitive prick I was accidentally being earler and what was the #1 search related to this?

Watch mosque shooting livestream

What this guy did was horrible, but he certainly knew the best way for exposure. My point is, the racist memes are just a symptom of a much deeper rooted problem. Memes aren't the problem themselves. It's like if newspapers had a bunch of racist articles and everyone proclaimed newspapers were a racist institution. No, newspapers were just the vehicle for that particular racist message.

you're wrong in that regulating by platform won't work. deplatforming works, and they know it. it's why they push so hard for "DEBATE ME IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS" because if they get their message out to a large enough audience, it does not matter how well you debate it or try to shoot it down, the message is there. it's how propaganda works.

watch a few minutes of this video from this timestamp. then replace "today is wednesday" with "subscribe to pewdiepie" and you'll hopefully realize how insidious this is.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're wrong in that regulating by platform won't work. deplatforming works, and they know it. it's why they push so hard for "DEBATE ME IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS" because if they get their message out to a large enough audience, it does not matter how well you debate it or try to shoot it down, the message is there. it's how propaganda works.

watch a few minutes of this video from this timestamp. then replace "today is wednesday" with "subscribe to pewdiepie" and you'll hopefully realize how insidious this is.

For a guy. He has really beautiful skin despite having a beard. As well as a nice voice.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're wrong in that regulating by platform won't work. deplatforming works, and they know it. it's why they push so hard for "DEBATE ME IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS" because if they get their message out to a large enough audience, it does not matter how well you debate it or try to shoot it down, the message is there. it's how propaganda works.

watch a few minutes of this video from this timestamp. then replace "today is wednesday" with "subscribe to pewdiepie" and you'll hopefully realize how insidious this is.

i would also comment that i think he has it backwards. the memes weren't created by [the shooter] independently as a racist, it's likely he became (racially) radicalized as a result of exposure to the memes. that's the culture war.

like the ant fungus thing(but applied to ideas) from a couple years ago on reddit *feeds wolf*

[America]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a guy. He has really beautiful skin despite having a beard. As well as a nice voice.

He wears foundation. It is obvious in some of the videos. He has a vanity / ego problem and wants to be worshiped. Probably a hot dom to play with on one-offs, and a terrible boyfriend. That's my instinct.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NO NO NO, YOU'RE FUCKING TROLLING FUCK UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUU

why'd you edit out the culture war part?