Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Headbusta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mans identifies as a shaman or something, nutty.

lol

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Headbusta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mans identifies as a shaman or something, nutty.

If shamans were truly as good in every situation as DSM implies there would be entire guilds full of shamans fielding 50-72 player all shaman raids lol

[Toxigen]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

[Headbusta]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

if you had a link to such thread, I would read it. This one has kept me entertained at work today.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torpor is a garbage tool for healing charm pets. I've played both enchanter and shaman at high level on P99. It doesn't even come CLOSE to the effectiveness of CH. The vast majority of this trio's damage output is charm and most of the rest of it is monk DPS. Both of which you are attack speed slowing just to heal them for less than CH heals for. That trio would instantly get significantly stronger by replacing the shaman with a cleric. Don't get me wrong. That trio is still strong. Any duo or trio with an enchanter is automatically strong. The question isn't "what's a strong trio with shaman in it?". You've once again lost track of what the question at hand is.

You completely missed my point about trios, and it is silly you think a conversation about group compositions can't include discussing... group compositions.

If Torpor was so bad it couldn't be used in a trio, why is Shaman/Monk/Enchanter one of the strongest trios out there? Because CHing pets isn't the end-all-be-all of groups, and nobody has argued otherwise. The fact that CHing pets is superior to Torporing them doesn't mean that is sufficient reason to exclude a Shaman, and it is proven by the Shaman/Monk/Enchanter combo. It really isn't necessary. I have been in plenty of groups with an Enchanter where I was the primary healer, no Cleric at all.

You don't understand you can fully heal a pet quickly by breaking charm/lulling/membluring them and letting them recover if you want fast recovery. You can also have a pocket cleric lol.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If shamans were truly as good in every situation as DSM implies there would be entire guilds full of shamans fielding 50-72 player all shaman raids lol

No. Comparing raiding to grouping is just nonsense lol. This is probably your worst argument yet. I am not sure why you think my arguments are translating into raiding at all.

[Headbusta]

The pocket cleric logic, is like saying in a boxing match you have a gun and are allowed to use that. Like in the rules it doesn't say you cant use a gun, but obviously you cant.

Also it feels like like you are personally attacked because people don't hold shamans as high as you do. It's a 23 year old elf simulator, sorry the game isn't balanced and chanters are OP.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Headbusta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the pocket cleric logic, is like saying in a boxing match you have a gun and are allowed to use that.

Like in the rules it doesn't say you cant use a gun, but obviously you cant.

Not at all. Pocket clerics are a common practice in P99. This is especially true among the experienced players we are discussing. OP never said you couldn't bring one. You are the one making the arbitrary claim pocket clerics cannot be used, simply because it helps your side. There is no logical reason why you can't bring a pocket cleric.

Originally Posted by Headbusta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also it feels like like you are personally attacked because people don't hold shamans as high as you do. It's a 23 year old elf simulator, sorry the game isn't balanced and chanters are OP.

This is just silly. I don't feel attacked at all. Shamans are OP enough. I am simply not going to admit I am wrong because the trolls want me to. If they think they are right, they need to prove it. So far, they have done a very poor job.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before...you should see DSM defend SKs too.

Have a link?

I love me some garbage to read when bored at work.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all. Pocket clerics are a common practice in P99. This is especially true among the experienced players we are discussing. OP never said you couldn't bring one. You are the one making the arbitrary claim pocket clerics cannot be used, simply because it helps your side. There is no logical reason why you can't bring a pocket cleric.

I mean, isn't the logical reason because it would open up the flood gates for bringing a bunch of "pocket" characters...at which point what the fuck are we even talking about?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, isn't the logical reason because it would open up the flood gates for bringing a bunch of "pocket" characters...at which point what the fuck are we even talking about?

No, because you only need to level a cleric to 39 for CH, and 49 for a 90% res.

This is why "pocket clerics" are a very common thing on P99. They are probably the easiest "pocket" class to get the the point where they have everything they could need, with basically no gear at all. They also level pretty quickly due to having an experience bonus via being a halfling.

Even a "pocket druid" is harder to make, because you cannot teleport the user who is operating the "pocket druid", so you need to make at least two, or be very proactive about binding. Anybody can quickly swap to a "pocket cleric" for a quick res or CH and swap back. The cleric doesn't need to do anything else.

Many classes need more gear/levels/time invested to make them a "pocket" anything. It is going to take a LOT more energy to make a "pocket Torpor Shaman", for example.