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[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every single day for months, even trhough the lawsuit it said 3-5k users online, no matter what time of day I logged in, for months bro, months.

And?

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And?

and they had 20k average users online at once in their discord 24 hrs a day.

And they said they had server traffic that they guessed was around 30k concurrent users.

and they very expecittly explained the difference between concurrent, and active, and peak, in those youtubes.

That is information that you can use to go, hmm wow that is imprsesive.

But you hate that information because you only look at like this: damn yeah, that is quite a bit Im not surprised they got sued.

I mean, just try to break down the $100k a month for crying out loud! Im gonna ask AI (at the risk of you thinking AI is always wrong and fake and auto disqualifying it)

But it says that breaks down to 10,000 monthly donators. That's 10,000 people playing so much they donate!

A pretty normal “gaming community” mix to hit ~$100k could look like 10,000 donors total with most at $5, a chunk at $15, and a small high tier at $50. For example: 7,000 at $5 ($35k) + 2,500 at $15 ($37.5k) + 500 at $50 ($25k) = $97.5k, then ~25 “whales” at $100 adds $2.5k to land right on $100k. If you believe the scene skews more whale-heavy, you could be closer to 3,000–4,000 donors averaging ~$25–$35 instead.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and they had 20k average users online at once in their discord 24 hrs a day.

P99 has thousands of people online in its Discord per day. Do several thousand people log into P99 every day? No lol.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, just try to break down the $100k a month for crying out loud! Im gonna ask AI (at the risk of you thinking AI is always wrong and fake and auto disqualifying it)

But it says that breaks down to 10,000 monthly donators. That's 10,000 people playing so much they donate!

This is an odd example to try and use. Because you can make up whatever scenario for numbers that you want. For example, you could have 1,000 people donating $100 dollars each and get to the $100,000. Your example is completely made up and meaningless lol.

But since you like AI so much and think it's the truth, let's cite some AI responses on a couple of things:

- "During its peak, the EverQuest emulator server The Heroes' Journey (THJ) saw an average player count of 1,713"
- As of October 2025, there is no public proof that the EverQuest emulator The Heroes' Journey (THJ) ever had 30,000 daily active users.

So is AI accurate? Or only when you want to use it to make up some made up donation scenario?

Shovel is clinging to this 30,000 daily users thing because he's desperate to paint Daybreak as the bad guy, and he thinks that if Daybreak shut down the server solely because of daily users then it makes them look like bigger assholes. He doesn't want to accept that the primary reason that he can no longer play on THJ is because the people who started the server (who he idolizes for some reason) decided to grift players and monetize the server. If they hadn't done that, THJ would probably exist in some form today.

It sucks that you can't play on the server you liked. If P99 got shut down I'm sure we'd all be upset too. But you're directing your ire at the wrong people; you should be directing it at the people who ran THJ who decided to make money off you. In any case, no one here really cares much that THJ was shut down, so why are you on P99 forums ranting about it?

Why don't you go talk about it on the THJ Discord???

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you go talk about it on the THJ Discord???

Because you keep posting about THJ so I reply.

[shovelquest]

court filing says that they had 30k users.

They broke down what that meant on a live stream Q&A.

[bcbrown]

Not daily-active users or monthly-active users but total user accounts?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not daily-active users or monthly-active users but total user accounts?

Correct lol

[shovelquest]

they said that on any given day those users would log in they said there about 5k dead accounts they said that it takes about that many to keep a server population around 4k dailiy, which is what it was on THJ.

Im not saying there were 30k people online all the time, never did, i said that there were that many (give or take 5k) people who were "ACTIVE CONCURRENT" players. That meant would log in within 1 or 2 days regularly.

They explained this all in detail.

Idk why CD is so mad.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they said that on any given day those users would log in they said there about 5k dead accounts they said that it takes about that many to keep a server population around 4k dailiy, which is what it was on THJ.

Im not saying there were 30k people online all the time, never did, i said that there were that many (give or take 5k) people who were "ACTIVE CONCURRENT" players. That meant would log in within 1 or 2 days regularly.

They explained this all in detail.

Idk why CD is so mad.

"Active concurrent" doesn't usually mean "log in every other day". The 4k figure you reference is what I would call "active concurrent".

That's why CD is mad. Because you're using nonstandard terminology.

So... 30k total accounts, 24k "active" accounts which is probably a MAU figure. 3-4k peak concurrent population.

[shovelquest]

*shit i mean, that it takes that many concurrent players, to make 5k active ones.

Thats what they said anyway.