Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No kidding. A few asterisks to that though.

Frankly, managing zerk health is probably more annoying than doing less dps. That and the warrior losing their mind every time they get a huge crip would be tiring.

idk my shaman bud seemed to enjoy it...those 1k+ crips were spicy

joining 5-6 man pugs is for the birds anyway...turns to shit XP because of bloat and laziness...only exception was when the Hole first received that massive ZEM boost...all the sweaties came out for that

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I duo'd with a shaman mostly on my war and zerked the whole way to 60. Eashen 2 hander absolutely insane dps can confirm. No way would a knight keep up with that.

Problem with 90% of warriors they aren't willing to do that. It's like people who cry about enchanters. Where 5% of the enchanters actually farm shit. The rest die to pet breaks at level 45 in com.

[Snaggles]

I’m glad it’s taken 27 pages to conclude a knight might be optimal at tanking casual content. It’s basically the crux of the first post of this stupid thread. No, in normal situations warriors don’t do substantially more dps than knights. No, epics won’t fix all a warriors aggro problems with 30 second fights.

If a warrior needs to believe they are the best tank for all situations they are sorely mistaken but likely won’t accept the fact.

If a knight feels warriors have no place with group content because someone else might occasionally get hit. Same thing.

If you are in seb and not wearing kunark gear it shouldn’t be challenging. Just fill the “tank” roll with anyone and move on.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m glad it’s taken 27 pages to conclude a knight might be optimal at tanking casual content. It’s basically the crux of the first post of this stupid thread. No, in normal situations warriors don’t do substantially more dps than knights. No, epics won’t fix all a warriors aggro problems with 30 second fights.

If a warrior needs to believe they are the best tank for all situations they are sorely mistaken but likely won’t accept the fact.

If a knight feels warriors have no place with group content because someone else might occasionally get hit. Same thing.

If you are in seb and not wearing kunark gear it shouldn’t be challenging. Just fill the “tank” roll with anyone and move on.

So there you have it Group EXP equals easy.

Knights get over monks better damage and mitigation.

Best group exp tank (cuz it is easy) is Ranger with best aggro tools, Damage, utility and awareness when Named pops.

What don't like Ranger mitigation and HP pool, meh, should have gotten a warrior. After all warriors have better damage than knights.

In conclusion, poor knight classes.

[Guesty07]

Knights are a great low man group tank. My issue is when people say things like warriors are rubbish in groups. It's completely made up bullshit. You either don't group with them enough or you already have a bias against them. Warriors shred and ate tough as nails.

[Jimjam]

Well the OP is cross talking themself, and gloomy continues that troll.

The premise is warriors are useless in 90% of content but the argument made to support that other classes do better than them 90% of the time.

The assumption underlying the argument that being “competent but not best” is equivalent to “useless” is inherently faulty, which is why this thread drags on.

I must confess to being guilty at fishing for exciting big crips.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the OP is cross talking themself, and gloomy continues that troll.

Yep. I'm a troll alright. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Philistine]

I agree that "not optimal" does not equal useless. I love warriors, but others don't have to!

How great is this game that the classes are different enough that we can have these* discussions/arguments instead of tanks all being clones of each other? Love it.

[Snaggles]

If you are dealing with mobs that summon root and blind are only going to last so long.
I have a 60 pally and love the class. I’ve tanked most the content one would expect outside slowed non-Lord/Lady dragons in ToV. Warriors are really cool, full stop.

Monks actually take hits really well; per hit better than knights. Without aggro spells or even a taunt skill you just have to rely on dps to peel or hope someone will root stuff. That and like rangers the average ones aren’t HP optimized like tanks that gear for that.

Monk: 252 Defense, 230 Dodge, 225 Block, 225 Riposte
Pal: 252 Defense, 155 Dodge, 205 Parry, 200 Riposte

I’d agree with most here. I don’t like “____ class sucks” threads. There is fair critique for all the classes but these aren’t detail oriented. In the end just slow stuff, root stuff, let the tank take hits. Keep the yellow bar ticking away.

[Naethyn]

You can blind flurry drakes in ntov so they run away from the raid and kill everyone. Tested this with bio orb.