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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Medical RnD is fueled by profit and without the profit it would stifle and regress.

Not that I agree that how it's done now is best but we are nowhere near advanced enough as a species to invest in medical RnD for humanitarian reasons. The pursuit of the almighty dollar fuels it all.

Precisely.

[Reiwa]

There really isn't any argument against the child tax credit(or similar scheme) if abortion is no longer legal.

There already wasn't any, but now there really isn't.

[starkind]

I'm totally cool with aborting myself if G-d could tell me for sure it would make the world a better place for everyone.

Unless you can be that selfless you are unworthy and unwilling to do what is necessary.

So far G-d says no suicide. Make Satan kill you. That could change tho.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far G-d says no suicide. Make Satan kill you. That could change tho.

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. 👀

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. ��

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

[starkind]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

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[starkind]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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also yep

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

No you are right. If someone wants to continue to use a drug until it kills them there is almost no way to stop it using the mental health system

This is why I have always been a proponent of forced involuntary drug treatment decided via “drug courts” (new programs some states have adopted). Drug courts basically give people two options: forced treatment in a rehab setting or jail/prison

This is also why the legal system is the only way to prevent or delay someone’s drug suicide. But then you’re putting them in a jail/prison setting which are terrible, so it all circles back to forced rehab being the best thing

“Why not just turn the other cheek? Someone can eat themselves to death whenever they want” In my opinion drugs like meth, heroin, alcohol are worse than food addiction because the chemical dependence in the brain is stronger and the physical withdrawal is infinitely worse (at least for alcohol and heroin)

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. ��

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G-d also sees I'm doing the best I can every day to hallow myself - or others - [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is the opposite of poisoning - that's my MO

cleansing, purifying
dignifying, elevating, ennobling, enshrining, glorifying, hallowing, magnifying, uplifting

clarifying, cleaning, clearing, distilling, purging
filtering
disinfecting, sanitizing, sterilizing

decontaminating, purifying

ameliorating, amending, bettering, enhancing, enriching, improving, meliorating, perfecting
clarifying, cleaning, cleansing, purifying, refining, restoring
respecting