The Joe Biden Drops Out thread

[zodium]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you want for society?

Don't hold back.

i want separation of wealth and state. i want to arm every worker, abolish the cops, abolish every institution that enforce our systems of passive ownership. i want to direct what productive forces were developed so far to provide all workers the resources to reproduce their labor; to replace the current work organization process that begins with "seeking funding" from aristocrats with just "seeking material assistance" from relevant workers. globally.

i like your analysis. its a fun tom clancy take on things, but the reality is far simpler: the middle east is dying from ecological collapse. the arab elites are bending the knee to the colonizers. much like the american working class, the palestinians are being left to die.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i want separation of wealth and state. i want to arm every worker, abolish the cops, abolish every institution that enforce our systems of passive ownership. i want to direct what productive forces were developed so far to provide all workers the resources to reproduce their labor; to replace the current work organization process that begins with "seeking funding" from aristocrats with just "seeking material assistance" from relevant workers. globally.

i like your analysis. its a fun tom clancy take on things, but the reality is far simpler: the middle east is dying from ecological collapse. the arab elites are bending the knee to the colonizers. much like the american working class, the palestinians are being left to die.

Two questions:

1. Did you grow up in a household with a father?
2. Are you employed?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i like your analysis. its a fun tom clancy take on things,

Thanks, I thought Red Storm Rising was just awesome although I didn't care for his other works. I was a big fan of the Soviet bum-rush but I found books like the one by Hackett to be dry. I like a little fiction in my jursidiction.

I wish you the best of luck in your goals though because I admire the struggle up to a point. I want to remind you that the systems your're trying to abolish are organic. I'm not passing value judgement on them, just saying that organic things are very hard to fight. Because they form naturally.

Like look, the thing about workers and the police. Let's take a person, we can call him a worker because they are self-fulfilled mostly by being productive and being occupied and useful. That person doesn't want to be armed for several reasons. First is that the vast majority of people they don't like the anxiety of thinking they might have to shoot someone and there would be blood and people screaming. And two is that as someone who wants to be productive, a worker, they know that they can spend a lot of time providing security or standing up for their rights with their guns, or they can spend less time making some product, selling that product, and then pooling their money with other workers to...hire security people. Who carry guns.

In a primitive society, every male outside the infirm carries a spear. So there we go. But organically, all primitive societies become complex, and then some cop is hassling you. You can't abolish the police because you can't abolish crime and you can't abolish the ability and desire of people to cooperate in groups and assign specialized tasks among themselves. You can make the police better or worse but that's the range. If you abolish the police I will hire someone to be the police and then we will have police again. And I will be more powerful because you guys are going to be part-time policemen and my guys well...they're just going to be cracking skulls and there goes your society.

Same thing with wealth and state. Your wealth means nothing if there isn't an administrative body that allows you to compare your wealth and trade it. I mean yeah, you can trade one pelican for three rocks, but for any transactions more complex you need standards so you can build trust. You can't build a hydroelectric plant in a barter economy. So as a worker you're outsourcing stability, security, and regulation. If you had to do all that it would take you all day. But this way it's paid off by April.

Other things are more possible. I mean I'm all against "seeking funding" from aristocrats, by which I mean stopping the destructive power of private equity firms who like my past girlfriends only destroy wealth and never add anything of value. I worked for an outfit that was acquired by Henry Kravis' for a bit, I've seen the damage they do firsthand the fucking vultures. I'm all for people developing systems where they don't have to suck dick for money they are being scammed into thinking they need.

I don't have an opinion on the Palestinians.

Thank god.

[Patriam1066]

Work will set you free

Occupy a desk

[Patriam1066]

“My insulin ran out and I have no more McDonald’s gift cards. I can’t feed my cats and I got furloughed from the pet shop I work at because of covid. I can’t borrow money from my mom because she has a similar IQ and work ethic (me being her son and all). I’m depressed and lonely I need help mannnn”

Not great arguments for communism Sodium, quite the contrary actually. I would love to see you and the rest of the unemployed sent to Gulags, however, so maybe we can meet halfway?

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

“My insulin ran out and I have no more McDonald’s gift cards. I can’t feed my cats and I got furloughed from the pet shop I work at because of covid. I can’t borrow money from my mom because she has a similar IQ and work ethic (me being her son and all). I’m depressed and lonely I need help mannnn”

Not great arguments for communism Sodium, quite the contrary actually. I would love to see you and the rest of the unemployed sent to Gulags, however, so maybe we can meet halfway?

Gulag costs more and not just money.

Mad

[Patriam1066]

I’m not the one advocating for communism

Talk to your boy sodium who is very sad for those who can’t afford insulin, which is sold over the counter at Walmart

You currently unemployed Poke?

[Trexller]

Lying to congress occurs daily. Stone was sentenced to prison for jaywalking. The whole thing was a joke anyway, it was clinton revenge. They thought they could nail trump the way republicans did. Clinton didn't actually commit a crime until he denied his "activities" with monica while under oath. Dems figured trump was likely to slip up like that. Clinton should have just said, "She blew me, what of it?"

What most people don't get about trumpie is that he's not gonna fall for that, he is old school new york. Mobster style. Treat with your blood enemies, meet them on amicable terms, call them your friend etc.

#PaulCastellano2020

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lying to congress occurs daily. Stone was sentenced to prison for jaywalking. The whole thing was a joke anyway, it was clinton revenge. They thought they could nail trump the way republicans did. Clinton didn't actually commit a crime until he denied his "activities" with monica while under oath. Dems figured trump was likely to slip up like that. Clinton should have just said, "She blew me, what of it?"

What most people don't get about trumpie is that he's not gonna fall for that, he is old school new york. Mobster style. Treat with your blood enemies, meet them on amicable terms, call them your friend etc.

#PaulCastellano2020

Wow another person that actually idols him. God damn this explains so much. It's not that surprising I guess though most of you are just old people yelling at clouds at this point, but to think he's actually some kind of mastermind and not a dementia patient allowed to walk around in a suit? I mean you can be old but that's just naive.

Like, you know he was a nerd in college right? No one liked him or talked to him. His only claim to fame is having a rich dad? The book about him being a master negotiator was actually a huge lie and his company exists despite him and his multitude of failed endeavors and ideas and the only way they function is keeping him as far as humanly possible away from day to day activities? Maybe that's what it is though, the legions of useless, fat, racist, worthless americans finally found someone that resonates with them and the rest of us, being successful and dealing with real things like our jobs forgot about all those people in the bayous and the mid-west.

Well played.

[douglas1999]

Hey what's goin on itt? *sees zodium quote* Oh!