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[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No deal is subverting the will of the people.

Brexit was sold on the idea that getting trade relationships that exceeded those EU has with Norway, Switzerland, Canada would be the "easiest deal in the world".

JRM himself suggested as part of his leave campaign thr country could put the deal negotiated up to referendum to see if it was favourable to remaining.

Its quite insulting your telling Brits they don't know what was offered to them in the lead up to the referendum vs what is being attempted to be forced through.

I don't know how I can express how big a piece of shit you are for continuing to portray the situation this way.

How many times do we have to go through this?

What was voted on was Brexit vs no Brexit.

It wasn't No Brexit vs No deal Brexit vs Deal Brexit. Brexit encompasses the potential for deal and no deal.

You're not allowed to create stipulations and random moving goalposts after the results of the vote without showing the complete and utter scam of your supposed democracy. This is what 3rd grade bullies do when things don't go their way.

Ever hear the saying ignorance is not an excuse? And it's not even the people that voted for Brexit saying they were ignorant. In every case it's some anti Brexit piece of shit like Jimjam pushing this idea that the people were too stupid and the elites need to decide for them.

[Jimjam]

I got the campaign leaflets through the door. Did you?

[Teppler]

Why did your elites even offer this vote if it was always in bad faith like this? That's the story I want to know about now. For the parties that are pushing to shut it down now, what were their conversations before the vote? Was it like in America where our establishment kept telling us Trump had less than a 1% chance to win and they just didn't have a sense of urgency because they thought it had no chance?

[Teppler]

Also, wouldn't this be more a failure on the part of the anti Brexit politicians? Isn't it their job to present the potential problems of Brexit and convince people BEFORE the vote?

Ladies and gentlemen this is what you call a moving goalpost.

You win something and all of a sudden the opposition creates stipulations and says 'you didn't really win', 'you gotta do this to really win'. Then they just repeat this over and over and over again. Of course no one has the power to do this unless they have control over the game. Your elites and the establishment. This is an argument for not letting countries take your guns if I've ever seen one.

[Jimjam]

Rather than get bogged down in the details, I think we can agree the leave campaign was much more effective than the remain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Leave made better promises than remain's campaign scares 'project fear'. TBH Remain could have focused on publicizing the benefits of being in Europe, but Leave was able to portray that we'd be able to keep all the best bits while cutting away the chaff.

When we actually get round to leaving Europe I guess we'll find out which was right: Leave's promises vs Remain's 'project fear'. Hopefully leave was right, but realistically one would expect the cards to fall somewhere in the middle. Hopefully project fear was wrong!


You got me interested in seeing how the leave campaign was covered vs what is being delivered.

I decided to find coverage of when Boris came out as a leaver.

"Because I want a better deal for the people of this Country. To save them money and to take back control"

I was particularly interested in the end of his talk.

https://youtu.be/aRjl4biSmZ4?t=338 (5:38 if the time stamp glitches)

"I think it is so important to focus on the question at hand: Is it better for the people of Britain to remain in Europe as it currently is, or is there a way that we could get a better deal?"

The way I recall it, no deal was something everyone assured would not happen. It was all about getting a better deal that would restore British Democracy and some control to the people of this country (sorry for taking words out your mouth again Bojo).

The interesting thing, is before this clip Bojo had always been a Europhile (and something he openly admits in the clip). He is great at hiding his mercenary nature. Just before the timestamp I showed you, he retorts that his flip on Europhile/Eurosceptic was not part of an attempt to manoeuvre into leadership of the conservative party.

I guess the way things have ended up is somewhat a happy accident for him then? Regardless, I hope he focuses on the question at hand, is there a way to get a better deal or is it better for the people of Britain to remain in Europe.

[Domo]

Boris Johnson told to resign following Supreme Court defeat and become the 'shortest-serving prime minister ever'

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did your elites even offer this vote if it was always in bad faith like this? That's the story I want to know about now. For the parties that are pushing to shut it down now, what were their conversations before the vote? Was it like in America where our establishment kept telling us Trump had less than a 1% chance to win and they just didn't have a sense of urgency because they thought it had no chance?

While composing my previous post, these videos were suggested to follow on:

David Cameron's Plans For The EU Referendum | This Morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBan3Esn5R0


David Cameron on His Regrets Over the Referendum | This Morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJ28VRY0tc

I didn't watch them, one 3 year old political video was sufficient for the moment. I prefer me my 20 year old elf sims!

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boris Johnson told to resign following Supreme Court defeat and become the 'shortest-serving prime minister ever'

Clickbait!

Of course his opponents are calling for him to resign! It was not mandated by the Supreme Court though.

and I say cickbait as someone who isn't a fan of Bojo as a politician, let alone PM.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rather than get bogged down in the details, I think we can agree the leave campaign was much more effective than the remain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Leave made better promises than remain's campaign scares 'project fear'. TBH Remain could have focused on publicizing the benefits of being in Europe, but Leave was able to portray that we'd be able to keep all the best bits while cutting away the chaff.

When we actually get round to leaving Europe I guess we'll find out which was right: Leave's promises vs Remain's 'project fear'. Hopefully leave was right, but realistically one would expect the cards to fall somewhere in the middle. Hopefully project fear was wrong!


You got me interested in seeing how the leave campaign was covered vs what is being delivered.

I decided to find coverage of when Boris came out as a leaver.

"Because I want a better deal for the people of this Country. To save them money and to take back control"

I was particularly interested in the end of his talk.

https://youtu.be/aRjl4biSmZ4?t=338 (5:38 if the time stamp glitches)

"I think it is so important to focus on the question at hand: Is it better for the people of Britain to remain in Europe as it currently is, or is there a way that we could get a better deal?"

The way I recall it, no deal was something everyone assured would not happen. It was all about getting a better deal that would restore British Democracy and some control to the people of this country (sorry for taking words out your mouth again Bojo).

The interesting thing, is before this clip Bojo had always been a Europhile (and something he openly admits in the clip). He is great at hiding his mercenary nature. Just before the timestamp I showed you, he retorts that his flip on Europhile/Eurosceptic was not part of an attempt to manoeuvre into leadership of the conservative party.

I guess the way things have ended up is somewhat a happy accident for him then? Regardless, I hope he focuses on the question at hand, is there a way to get a better deal or is it better for the people of Britain to remain in Europe.

Part of the problem is British non Brexit elites are obviously cozy with the mega EU elites of Europe and they obviously coordinate to put the pro Brexit side in impossible positions so the anti Brexit elites can throw their hands up in the air and say ‘nothing can be done’. Really it’s a lot acting in bad faith and working with the enemy to usurp their common people’s vote.

The way the EU is treating an independent UK is abhorrent. At best you could consider the EUs stance on making things hard for the UK a highly aggressive act against what should be classified as a hostile nation. At worst, the EUs attitude towards developing trade with an independent UK could be an act of war.

What justification does the EU have to treat the UK this way if not to act as rulers and punish the common people for voting wrong?

[Patriam1066]

The Anglosphere has bad leadership all around. A Frenchman in Canada, an obese orange in America, a whore in New Zealand, a game of musical chairs in Australia, and wannabe trump in Britain. Oh, and a gay Hindu in Ireland

I miss Obama and David Cameron