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[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was being cynical.

Of course we can't legislate ppl into happiness.

I apologize for using the tools of the devil.

I wasnt calling you out, just piggy backing on that thought.

It made me think, we can ban unhappyness if we just had a better quality of life built around our schools.

If educators knew how to make kids happy, they could educate them and would prevent school shootings.

But they dont know how to do that anymore because anyone smart enough to know how to do that isnt dumb enough to be a teacher this day and age.

Now you might say "vote fora democrat if you want to see that change" (dear reader) but if that were true then why the FUCK didnt they change it over the last 8 years? or the 20 before that, or the 20 before that? Why the fuck is it slipping right through their fingers, and why the hell when the god damn microscope is pointing directly at our schools THEY DONT EVEN BRING IT UP and when you do they argue against it!

Because they dont care about that shit, they care about one thing, winning, and banning guns. They win by telling the lefty big hearted liberals that they are the party that wants to fix education, and they ignore it because they want a clear agenda: Ban guns, disarm the population

WHY is it so obvious to the right but not the left

The only people that have ever wanted to do that were people who wanted to take control of everything. and the party of the left is literally designed around people having limited freedoms to pay for the greater good?!

is it so un obvious to everyone how abundantly clear it is that the left is 1:1 the same as any other hostile communist regime? Its baffeling to me that it isnt at least humorus to the left

"boy i know we're not actually the fascists but the whole pitting people against each other based on skin, sex and religion, the whole take guns away thing, the whole everyone is forced to pitch in to pay for everyone else, the whole if we had more laws we could make the world safer shit.. all that sure sounds fucked up, im so glad that I PERSONALLY know that we're not the bad guys and that even though all the things we believe you'd ahve to be a bad guy to agree with, that we're all of sound moral character on this side and would NEVER, ever, be evil."

[Irulan]

I went to school and had some bad thoughts when I was young. I'm not sure how much more teachers can do.

A lot is mass media and violence in culture. And a lot is due to ppl without hope. Some of its due to ppl having their hands tied around violent kids. Some of it is godlessness because kids are taught to worship idols, celebrity, ideas. That that's somehow more important than respect and courtesy.

It's many shades of things that I think all eventually come together to break the human spirit. And I can't solidly place my finger on it. But males particularly I think are neglected. Perhaps expected to reach for unreasonable ideals. And you're right there's a lot of shaming.

I'm not sure how individuals can fix that beyond giving men roll models that don't suck.

I was always put down hard by everyone in school and at home by a father who thought I was a week crybaby. I pulled the legs off bugs and retreated into EQ and other violent hobbies. I am not saying these kids are like me or queer. But my response to not being a man in societies eyes was to overcompensate.

I think when we make the ideals of manhood extreme and simultaneously put boys down for not measuring up. And we have a fearful and socially disjointed disconnected society we are seeing this intersection with ppl suffering pathological circumstances as well. Wether their a bit psychopathic. From an abusive family. Addicted. Or sucked in my extremism of some form. Without good friends.

I got bullied a lot. But even I had one or two other kids who looked after me and stepped in. They held my hate I'm check a little. They stopped me from being able to rationally accuse everyone of deserving death.

I think everyone is on their cellphones and stuck in cliques and isolated from each other and were told to hate those who aren't with us and like us. And yah. Definitely the left shoulders blame here sometimes. But we've got to have a reality check as parents, brothers, sisters, friends, peers. We've got to look out there and give ppl hope. Especially young angry boys who are getting messages that the world is ending and that they are "born to kill".

[tsuchang]

If we didn't have guns, they'd use something else. There are evil folks.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by tsuchang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we didn't have guns, they'd use something else. There are evil folks.

guns are easier to kill with than knives or whatever. this really isn't up for debate.

[mickmoranis]

It’s like saying I’m not sure what more patents can do.

Teachers are the care takers of the children and their job is to guide them as they grow. They are incompetent now. You can’t argue that incompetent people are as good as competent ones.

You can’t blame society if you don’t expect the people that are taking care of children for the majority of their childhood, to not be idiots

Whatever we had to cope with shit as kids, todays youth have less meanwhile they have all the new problems you mentioned, so it’s no surprise to me they’re falling apart.

[Patriam1066]

If you think about it though, the bill of rights is actually less important than us destroying the planet and killing off all life

Hope this helps!

[Baler]

Another opportunity for politicians to get rich off a heinous act and push their anti-gun agenda.

[Irulan]

I think it's going to take a few things happening at once, together:
Kids having a reason to live
Teachers being better, enabled
Parents being better, enabled
Adults being responsible with having children
A world with opportunities
A better less toxic environment ( I think a lot of ppl are being born sick and with bad genetic problems )
Support when ppl are abused, things happen, bad times, failures, we're facing ppl problems more than famine problems now, and now 1 person can do something that gets reported everywhere, it's not just 1 village dying and going gone and never being heard about)
Jesus (love, compassion, mercy, respect)
And communities working together to get ppl therapy, and get bad people out, sadly some ppl are born that just need to be stopped and this goes against the ideas and grains of freedom

We don't want bad ppl to be free. Not when they can hurt 100ppl through their freedom. Bad ppl, I have a list of bad ppl, and it's a serious list, it's not based of of liberal ideologies, I know a few ppl who did real bad things and hurt us all as a society, and my family, and me.

But because of the way the world works, we just don't have the freedom anymore to fix these things and 1 person now creates a ripple HUUUGE.

I think globally we can come to some kind of concensus and kind of allow some bad, because there will always be bad, but we have to decided as a species, what is humane.

PPl like my father aren't humane. PPl like this kid had humanity problems. And guns enable them.

I don't want to jump on sides here, I want to bring some reason and logic. Even tho it's late and i'm insane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[tsuchang]

Yup, it probably is, but that wasn't my point.
There are evil creeps in the world that will kill folks even if they have to beat em to death. Are there more gun deaths than knives, hammers, fists? That would be a good thing to look into. See if we need to ban more than guns.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by tsuchang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup, it probably is, but that wasn't my point.
There are evil creeps in the world that will kill folks even if they have to beat em to death. Are there more gun deaths than knives, hammers, fists? That would be a good thing to look into. See if we need to ban more than guns.

yes there are. are you retarded?

i get that you're trying to do the impish contrarian thing. but you suck at it.