New ToV Racing Rules

[JurisDictum]

Sometimes I forget that I'm in the MMO equivalent of a hardcore fascist militia somewhere out in the middle of the Appalachians. People here tend to have a "purist" attitude about classic mechanics that's simply nutty by mainstream thinking.

The parallels between people that think John Locke got everything right in 1690, and think EQ got everything right in 1999, are pretty apparent to me.

I think we could give casuals a free shot at the entire end zone once every 5-6 weeks. Please explain to me how bad that could possibly be?

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides the fact you contradict what you're saying in your own post?

Where did I do this?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The parallels between people that think John Locke got everything right in 1690, and think EQ got everything right in 1999, are pretty apparent to me.

Ha.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem lies in the fact that the larger guilds thrive on being able to deny people content. It's part of the fun for them. It's not competition. It's a lot about pixels and being able to cockblock and throw their image around as if they are accomplishing something that people simply can't. That's why they do what they do.

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we could give casuals a free shot at the entire end zone once every 5-6 weeks. Please explain to me how bad that could possibly be?

Can't allow that - if AA doesn't compete for all available pixels the guilds will destroy themselves from within.

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

a lot of us come from a background of "classic" where 3-5 guilds easily handled NToV in a fair way. The problem is not the zone, the problem is the way you want to approach the zone and applying the mentality that p99 has had through the years to ToV. There is nothing wrong with ToV as a zone, it would be a blast to crawl ToV with CSG/BDA and split paths/clear to different mobs/take turns taking wacks at the bigger names... maybe racing for the bigger mobs? there are ways to make the zone amenable, those ways just don't fit into the min/max mindset of the top 2 guilds.

3 weeks on NToV 1, week on VP for A/A
3 weeks on VP, 1 week on NtoV for CSG/Anonymous/Divinity/BDA

would that honestly be so incredibly horrid? It probably isn't the right situation, but it is a start that REALLY shouldn't bother anyone should it? I don't know, i don't even know why I am really trying to come up with solutions anymore.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

It's not, that's why they kept adding expansions every 9 months-1 year to keep those 200 hardcore people moving on to the next content.

But P99 isn't classic in that sense. There are 6-10 guilds on this server with the skills and tactics to equal the Fires of Heavens/Brotherhood of the Spider/Triton/etc of 2001.

The ONLY real solution is more content (via Earthquakes), but Rogean/Nilbog really seem against that. There's 3 to 5x more "endgame" guilds on P99, but there is even LESS content than there was on Live servers (more frequent patches, weekly maintenance, random server crashes, etc).

[Alenon]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The content wasn't released fast enough and there will never be enough of it on P99 for that to work.

All the changes Verant/Sony made were to combat the problems as they arose on Live. Specifically Epic revamps (to move epic pieces off top-end raid content), adding roamers to safe spots and rooting dragons in ToV (to force crawling instead of training), and eventually instancing. They screwed up pretty bad with the VT key quest and making Rallos Zek easily bottlenecked to keep other guilds out of Elemental Planes.

But that is exactly my point. It was fast enough for us as a tier 2 guilds as the top 3 rarely butted heads with us lower casuals, but you're right in that it couldn't release fast enough for the hardcore. And of course with no expansions coming here how long will it last? 4 years of Jindal and people dealt cause they knew various was coming at some point

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

It's not a toxic opinion. For a promise to get out of your way and STFU about your ToV rules altogether (meaning if you kill in ToV or any class C mob you are instantly class C), you give up 1 in 3 KTs,CTs,Zlands,Klands,Dains etc.

Class C maintains it's exclusivity in recruiting. You want to see ToV? Better join these 2 guilds. Class R gets to probably end up rotating between CSG/DA/BDA the lockout timers on the above mobs and see a little bit of content.

If Class R were to say no to such a proposal, I'll be right there with A/A to tell them they are being greedy and want something for nothing that others are there to work for. It's a very small price to pay, and both sides could stop playing this charade and have to give up a little bit of what they want to accomplish long term.

I've seen nothing even close to this mentioned. I've seen nothing from either leadership that even budges off the exclusivity of the content they're monopolizing. They don't want server-wide competition.

[Kodim]

There's only been 1 raid cycle for ToV with the new racing rules. Should probably try it out and get used to it first.