Spells: 100 MR to resist MR nuke. 350 FR to reduce FR nuke.

[Nirgon]

I have a very, very strong sneaking suspicion that the # of magic counters for buffs/debuffs will match the numbers for poison/diseases cast (for full dots, not debuffs) of their level to start. Not to mention shamans get poison/disease regularly enough that we can draw some conclusions.


@Gigaslash: I used annul for that reason in pvp on live instead of pumice (once I get annul...). I needed to manage my buff stack very exactly.

Special dots will be an interesting case.. like stream of acid.

[Dullah]

Well, the parallel between cure and poison/disease may not exist.

The biggest dispel, Recant, is 4x9.

The biggest poison cure is 4x16, with the biggest poison being bane of knife (10 counters).

[Haynar]

I am thinking spells should be grouped into types.

I need more examples of what always took more than one cast and the such.

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[Dullah]

Thats going to some really hard data to compile. By memory, I just remember low level dispels like nullify/cancel doing less and less at high levels. I remember casting them 2x before non-clickie spells started to drop.

My best guess is that it was simply based on level, but if you want to get techie with it you could look at the amount of mana it took to cast and consider that. For example, maybe a level 40s vision augment shouldnt be as many counters as a 44 arch shielding simply by virtue of the fact it took half the mana to cast.

[Dullah]

Maybe I should create a new thread for this dispel stuff, but its somewhat relevant to the whole spell discussion.


circa 2003
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=178405

As to the dispel magic line, it gets chances to dispel magic effects, good or bad. The higher level ones are stronger when it comes to stripping effects. Effects that are higher level and/or from a higher level caster are harder to remove. But unlike the counter types, you don't know for sure. There's no nice numbers given. They also seem to have a tendency to try multiple spells down the line, so a dispel magic could strip your 7th buff. Almost seems like it gets to try every buff until it succeeds or fails them all. Like counter remover spells, dispel magics can have multiple lines. Recant magic, for example, has:
1: Cancel Magic(9)
2: Cancel Magic(9)
3: Cancel Magic(9)
4: Cancel Magic(9)

That allows it to strip 4 buffs. For any player class besides enchanter though, the max is 2.

[Grimjaw]

good stuff.

so would recant always take the top 4 then?

[Gigaslash]

Recant Magic would ALWAYS take all 4 buffs because no buff could be stronger than 9 counters.

[Gigaslash]

Dullah is correct though that if you casted Cancel magic and it didn't take off your heroism because it was your only buff, a couple more cancel magics would get it eventually. So the counters need to be tracked. Not sure if they carry over between zoning, probably not.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Gigaslash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dullah is correct though that if you casted Cancel magic and it didn't take off your heroism because it was your only buff, a couple more cancel magics would get it eventually. So the counters need to be tracked. Not sure if they carry over between zoning, probably not.

Anyone able to test this on eqlive?

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Gigaslash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dullah is correct though that if you casted Cancel magic and it didn't take off your heroism because it was your only buff, a couple more cancel magics would get it eventually. So the counters need to be tracked. Not sure if they carry over between zoning, probably not.

Only if the buff were dispelled in the same number of casts every time would this suggest that it's counter-based.

Otherwise there's some kind of dispel "strength" vs. buff "strength" check with a randomized variable at action here.