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Old 04-14-2014, 03:12 PM
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So all the bacteria reacted the same way? Almost like that's the way they were designed to react?
Or programmed. But there are self programming systems am I right? No creator necessary. Bacteria may be more advanced than we think in that their capable of storing some kind of information and passing it a long. Or it could be something else entirely.

It's just cool a fuck and people like to blame a god way to much.

What if most life is like this and couple that with panspermia - you have quick evolution to fill many niches if a bit of bacteria from somewhere else travels the vast distance across space to land on a dead but livable planet?
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:35 PM
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Or programmed. But there are self programming systems am I right?
Wrong, there is no such thing as a self programming system lol. The fuck are you smoking dude? Because whatever it is, it's obviously destroying your brain cells.


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What if most life is like this and couple that with panspermia - you have quick evolution to fill many niches if a bit of bacteria from somewhere else travels the vast distance across space to land on a dead but livable planet?
Um panspermia does nothing except move the goal post of the same exact question that needs to be answered.
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:16 PM
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Wrong, there is no such thing as a self programming system lol. The fuck are you smoking dude? Because whatever it is, it's obviously destroying your brain cells.




Um panspermia does nothing except move the goal post of the same exact question that needs to be answered.
You've obviously never met skynet.

Actually IMO... homeostasis, GIA, the human brain, monkly meditation, etc... all proof of self programming.

The universe is self ordering it orders itself on a galactic and universal level and a micro level. Everywhere we look we see order. Chaos would be complete fuzzy nothingness. There really is little focus point for white noise in the universe.

Even chaotic and gaseous nebulae have clear order and boundaries.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:31 PM
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So it's ok to discuss a theory that maybe could be, based on your personal perception of reality, but it's not ok to discuss one (existence of Reptilian Humanoids for instance) you cannot accept no matter what? Is that what this is about?

I don't think I said anywhere in this thread, that I believe in Reptilian Humanoid existence 110%, and expect everyone else to also. I merely presented existing data, in order to discuss it with others. It has nothing to do with seeing only positive reactions, that's something you decided on your own.

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or they did read and weren't convinced and offered counter evidence that generated a more solid argument for their point.

not to mention these controlling reptiles have gone from coming from the orion system to evolving on planet earth. your troll is tired.
I'll repeat what I've already mentioned, maybe you missed it, I did explain that there were various factions of Reptoids; to break it down for you, it means they have different origins. Just like not all people living today, are from one country. Any more troll statements?

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Saying that DNA formed on it's own from random chemical reactions is like saying that the code used to create EQ formed randomly on it's own. In other words, it's about as retarded as you can possibly get.
Bravo, I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:12 PM
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If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy.

I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator. DNA is a 2-bit represented binary system, it is literally the same thing as compiled computer code with opcodes (primers) and modules (chromosomes). I've actually written software to deal with DNA in that sense (https://code.google.com/p/dnaprimers/). Structured, ordered information does not spontaneously generate itself, going back to philosophy and the monkey typewriter thing.

Existence existing is proof enough of a supernatural architect.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:15 PM
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If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy. I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator.
Nah. Only dumb people believe in creation. Or so I have been repeatedly told.
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:26 PM
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If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy.

I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator. DNA is a 2-bit represented binary system, it is literally the same thing as compiled computer code with opcodes (primers) and modules (chromosomes). I've actually written software to deal with DNA in that sense (https://code.google.com/p/dnaprimers/). Structured, ordered information does not spontaneously generate itself, going back to philosophy and the monkey typewriter thing.

Existence existing is proof enough of a supernatural architect.
I think we already laughed enough at people trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics when they actually have no idea what it means. But please keep bringing that up. It's good to get as many of you people out in the open as possible.

Also, if DNA is so well designed, why is it that we need 6 bits (3 base pairs) to encode 20 amino acids? Even with the necessary start and stop codons, you only need 22 of the possible 64 combinations to actually create genes. That's 42 duplicate slots. It would have been far more efficient to use a 3 letter alphabet or a 5 letter alphabet. But I guess God wasn't too good at remedial math.
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:24 PM
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I think we already laughed enough at people trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics when they actually have no idea what it means. But please keep bringing that up. It's good to get as many of you people out in the open as possible.

Also, if DNA is so well designed, why is it that we need 6 bits (3 base pairs) to encode 20 amino acids? Even with the necessary start and stop codons, you only need 22 of the possible 64 combinations to actually create genes. That's 42 duplicate slots. It would have been far more efficient to use a 3 letter alphabet or a 5 letter alphabet. But I guess God wasn't too good at remedial math.
If DNA isn't so well designed, why can't anybody make a better version of it? In fact, why can't anyone make any version of it at all, whatsoever? How dumb can you possibly be to make a statement this idiotic? It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement that dumb. You would think that with the ability to design and create ultra complex things like satellites and airplanes and massive skyscrapers, that we'd be able to at the very least duplicate what DNA can do but sadly, nope. Scientists can't even so much as reproduce a single simple blade of grass.
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If DNA isn't so well designed, why can't anybody make a better version of it? In fact, why can't anyone make any version of it at all, whatsoever? How dumb can you possibly be to make a statement this idiotic? It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement that dumb. You would think that with the ability to design and create ultra complex things like satellites and airplanes and massive skyscrapers, that we'd be able to at the very least duplicate what DNA can do but sadly, nope. Scientists can't even so much as reproduce a single simple blade of grass.
your troll is tired, let it sleep.
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What's absurd is how you keep going back and forth between your own limitations of understanding of varying perceptions. Let it be!
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