Re: Raid Situation

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao, scare tactics always work... especially on Rogean.

It wasn't meant like that. Well at least it wasn't I really hope it didn't come across like that. I was trying to be polite and simply ask him what he wanted from his server.

[Babayaaga]

He wants the players to cooperate to find some measure of an agreement to share content.

It's not going to please everyone, and we're all going to have to make concessions.

The real crux is that people still enjoy the adrenaline rush of the race, but definitions of how that race is played out differs from person to person from an ethical point of view. There is enough capability for many to race, but many have been abstaining because they don't share the same standard of ethics.

This "agreement" is more about establishing a code of ethics, but instead it has become sidetracked into min-maxing the math broken down into tiers of content by tiers of guilds.

When we get back to focusing on the ethics, and think less about how content is distributed, I suspect we'll be closer to an "agreement" that is signed off by Rogean because at the end of the day, we're still talking about more or less the same amount of content with just as many mouths to feed (with more mouths entering the race every day). Conflicts of ethics were straining the petition pool. Solve this problem, and much of that issue disappears.

[August]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are 11 mobs outside of VP. 2 of them are level 52-restricted.

They pop on average 4 times a month.

That's 44 raid mobs per month. There are at least 6 tier 2 guilds, and 3 tier 1 guilds - that's being pretty stingy

That's 9 guilds that want to compete for 44 mobs a month. That's approximately 5 mobs per guild.

Do you think it's fair to you that you only get 5 mobs a month for your guild?

Oh, you don't? Well that's fine, but keep in mind that if you take another mob, then someone else only gets 4 mobs a month. How many mobs do you think you deserve? Is it 10 mobs a month? Well then another guild gets 0 mobs a month. Do 4 guilds want 10 mobs a month? Gratz 4 mobs total for the rest of the 5 guilds.

This is an unsolvable problem on an EMU server that's been stale for too long. My numbers may not be accurate (i don't raid here) but that's the actual reality of the situation. A LOT of people can kill the mobs. A LOT of people want mobs. There are a static number of mobs per month.

No one guild can be dominant without severely cutting off access to those mobs to the rest.
No coalition of guilds can exist without everyone getting a very very thin slice of pie.

The solution is more mobs, or people being content with less.

Staff / Development are going to have to solve this problem with a coded solution. We are all arguing with each other to no great effect because the numbers behind all these solutions just don't add up.

You can put tiers on stuff, you can put restrictions on who and what can engage and in what time period, but the end result is straight up numbers.

44 Mobs a month

[SeruScars]

Originally Posted by Babayaaga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He wants the players to cooperate to find some measure of an agreement to share content.

Why would anyone want to cooperate with hypocritical asshats like Chest?

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

making it easier for the VOLUNTEER CSR staff to do what the are donatiing their time to do.

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what's that? deriding the casual playstyle in a twitch stream?

Not to mention trolling of guilds, players, and flat out being ignorant of the servers history and what has gone on in the past.

Knix find those streams enjoyable though as she is 24/7 in them on her knees.

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by SeruScars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would anyone want to cooperate with hypocritical asshats like Chest?

Because its better than dealing with complete assholes with no regard for anyone but themselves, and will do anything in their power and beyond the rules to keep them from that. You know who..

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because its better than dealing with complete assholes with no regard for anyone but themselves, and will do anything in their power and beyond the rules to keep them from that. You know who..

Reading you loud and clear

[SeruScars]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because its better than dealing with complete assholes with no regard for anyone but themselves, and will do anything in their power and beyond the rules to keep them from that. You know who..

Is it? Seems to me we were all raiding again and then Chest fucked it all up.

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by SeruScars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it? Seems to me we were all raiding again and then Chest fucked it all up.

How did Chest fk it all up? Sirken and Derubael or w/e agreed to and put something into effect that Rogaen did not approve of, nor did any of the other guilds in the T2 discussions.

Maybe next time learn what you are talking about before hand.

[Rhambuk]

were on the fast track to rnf now