Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, we've already explained it. Time and time again. You're outright lying here.

You're just a troll, DSM.

No you haven't. Not once. You just keep saying you have. Please show me your explanation. It should be trivial to find it.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you haven't. Not once. You just keep saying you have. Please show me your explanation. It should be trivial to find it.

The above Quote is simply an example of you sharing your opinion that it has not already been explained to you why your data is irrelevant, which is - objectively - false.

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[Gloomlord]

No, I refuse to play these games.

If it's trivial for me to find it, then it should be equally trivial for you also to find it.

You think over the course of 300+ pages we haven't refuted every single argument you mustered already?

You think your retort of using a "pocket cleric" wasn't an admission of your defeat?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I refuse to play these games.

If it's trivial for me to find it, then it should be equally trivial for you also to find it.

You think over the course of 300+ pages we haven't refuted every single argument you mustered already?

You think your retort of using a "pocket cleric" wasn't an admission of your defeat?

Yup, classic trolling. You never need to provide any evidence for your claims. It is the responsibility of everybody else who you are trolling.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup, classic trolling. You never need to provide any evidence for your claims. It is the responsibility of everybody else who you are trolling.

You have not provided the definition of "troll"/"trolling" that you are using - can you please provide it for the sake of civil discussion?

[Gloomlord]

Like how you refuse to provide evidence for group DPS as a shaman?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like how you refuse to provide evidence for group DPS as a shaman?

I didn't refuse. I provided two videos with log data that can be referenced, and plenty of basic math calculations that are using the correct data from the game.

My math calculations are also backed up by the videos, you can see me casting the same spells that are in the math calculations, and it matches.

You haven't provided anything other than rage posts.

[Gloomlord]

But they're not in a group, hence they are irrelevant. How many times are we going to have to repeat this fact to you?

You don't see what is, DSM -- you see only what you want to see.

Somebody want to take over for me? I don't see what else I can say with an obvious troll.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But they're not in a group, hence they are irrelevant. How many times are we going to have to repeat this fact to you?

You don't see what is, DSM -- you see only what you want to see.

The fact that it isn't from a group is the only thing that is irrelevant. Mob AC/HP/Resists don't change when you group vs. solo.

You need to prove your claim that this difference invalidates my data.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that it isn't from a group is the only thing that is irrelevant. Mob AC/HP/Resists don't change when you group vs. solo.

The problem is that your attempt at using the claim "the fact that it isn't from a group is the only thing that is irrelevant" is simply your opinion, the claim is also both unsubstantiated and objectively false. The irrefutable fact - which cannot be refuted - that your data was collected not while in a group is entirely relevant - and it is - specifically, particularly - the reason that your data is not valuable nor valid data to present for how a Shaman would perform in a group (remember - this discussion is - specifically, particularly - about being in a "4 person all caster/priest group") for reasons you may or may not be aware of depending on your current stance/claim/argument(s), which it is unclear which ones you currently support/"argue" due to how often you move goalposts & edit your posts (see below).

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to prove your claim that this difference invalidates my data. That is a new claim you are making.

"Correct" =/= "Relevant"

You do not have any authority over other posters to tell them what they "need" to do.

For the sake of civil discussion, can you please provide the definition of "new" that you are using? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"argument" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.