Rules clarification

[lilyanna]

Originally Posted by jpeute [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm also trying to cyber lily, but lily makes too much cup of tea for me...wtb moooooooooore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't mean me !! Lol and I'm not in my 60's thanks Tortue !!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason it wasn't used Ravager was, VD/IB/TR/TMO all camped out at ledge, therefore we had to log in before engage.

We didn't sit 40+ people at Tola waiting for him to pop.

That's the issue, if BDA had camped chars out, would have been fine, TMO would have stayed out and would have been fun time to see who got organized and engaged first.

However, when you see a raid kill force sitting there logged in (late in window), something doesn't seem right and matters need to be addressed.

Was what was done legal? Yep.
Was it annoying? Oh hell yes.
Did TMO want to do it? Not really.

If a guild wants to sock a mob, they need to do it on the spawn.
Why you ask?
Because there has to be an inherent danger to the guild in order to make them really think about if they want to do it.

Personally I'd like to see an arrangement worked out where both sides can be moderately pleased with the agreement.

But hey I remember EQ is a game and games are supposed to be fun.

I do appreciate the thoughtful and respectful reply.

[apio]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do yourselves a favor and join us on EQMac, let the TMO Tards rule over an empty server just like the Nihilum Tards do on Red99

[Rais]

Originally Posted by jpeute [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm also trying to cyber lily, but lily makes too much cup of tea for me...wtb moooooooooore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can confirm she doesn't have the body parts of a retiree, so it's not her I'm speaking of.

[lilyanna]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can confirm she doesn't have the body parts of a retiree, so it's not her I'm speaking of.

Oh funny !

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty dumb rule if you ask me, i doubt 15 of even the best geared people could kill trak

The 15 person part of the rule is just the minimum they will consider a raid. While no one is killing Trak with 15, putting an actual number on how many it would take is impossible (if you can do it with "X" raiders, you can probably do it with "X-1" as you get more efficient). So not only is it hard to define how many people would constitute a sufficient force to begin with, but that number also changes over time as guilds get better at encounters.

As for the rule itself, I thought it was kind of dumb too. They originally made it because back when DA and IB were going at it, at first it was just a race to mobs. For some reason there was some sort of server outcry for a reform of the raiding scene, I don't think either IB or DA were really pushing any agenda, I think it was more non-raiders trying to open up the raiding scene a bit. Anyway, it resulted in a claim system where the first raid of 15 in zone had claim. Because IB out mobilized DA, DA started just afking their raid force in zones with mobs due. IB started doing the same and crying about it a lot (honestly, it wasn't that bad - hell, DA gave DKP bonuses for just AFKing in a zone, it was kind of sweet actually). That resulted in the 15 players within aggro range - which was ironic considering IB's goal was to end poopsocking and that rule made it 10x worse.

Basically what I'm trying to get at with my p99 history lesson is that the rules now were created in response to specific issues that arose in the past. There is a good chance people who actually care about getting mobs these days might benefit from taking another look at how the rules are working for the server now.

[ElanoraBryght]

Originally Posted by bylbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weren't you banned for going full retard?

There are no true bans on P99, just forced vacations of varied lengths.

[quido]

That's not really true.

[Harazzer]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not really true.

Truth is relative and everchanging, especially in this thread. Originally BDA just walked away from a contested spawn, as of 2 pages ago it had warped into BDA crying to GM's to save them from valid tactics, and autotune denouncing people for only raiding for the last 8 months when he probably hasn't raided in a year.

Such is RNF.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth is relative and everchanging, especially in this thread. Originally BDA just walked away from a contested spawn, as of 2 pages ago it had warped into BDA crying to GM's to save them from valid tactics, and autotune denouncing people for only raiding for the last 8 months when he probably hasn't raided in a year.

Such is RNF.

I haven't raided in 3years.