Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[Larken]

Why isn't anyone at least discussing the one way of settling this never ending mess with some form of PvP? There could be several options, I'm not advocating to copy red99, but after weighin all pros and cons some form of pvp to settle this mess is to me the only logical conclusion. Convince me otherwise please.

Raid zone pvp flagging?
Raid guilds pvp flagging each other, limited only to certain zones adjacent to raid zones?
Have guilds the option to declare war against another guild. For example, a minimum of 3 guilds independent of eachtoerh with x# of members can PvP flag another guild. (In case a guild is being scummy, then other guilds will put them in place)

I mean just consider how different things would be and how much nicer guilds could potentially treat each other. 1 guild being dicks? Well, all the smaller guild join up and take them out to teach them a lesson. It's just a different way of gaming life and sometimes I think you all don't give it a fair chance of consideration but rather just say "look at what a mess red is, therefore pvp doesn't work" - which is a flawed logic IMO.

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Larken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why isn't anyone at least discussing the one way of settling this never ending mess with some form of PvP? There could be several options, I'm not advocating to copy red99, but after weighin all pros and cons some form of pvp to settle this mess is to me the only logical conclusion. Convince me otherwise please.

Raid zone pvp flagging?
Raid guilds pvp flagging each other, limited only to certain zones adjacent to raid zones?
Have guilds the option to declare war against another guild. For example, a minimum of 3 guilds independent of eachtoerh with x# of members can PvP flag another guild. (In case a guild is being scummy, then other guilds will put them in place)

I mean just consider how different things would be and how much nicer guilds could potentially treat each other. 1 guild being dicks? Well, all the smaller guild join up and take them out to teach them a lesson. It's just a different way of gaming life and sometimes I think you all don't give it a fair chance of consideration but rather just say "look at what a mess red is, therefore pvp doesn't work" - which is a flawed logic IMO.

sorry what thread are you taking part in? I've only taken cursory glances at the threads surrounding this situation and red/pvp has been mentioned 5 or 6 times.

[mattrat]

Originally Posted by Larken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why isn't anyone at least discussing the one way of settling this never ending mess with some form of PvP? There could be several options, I'm not advocating to copy red99, but after weighin all pros and cons some form of pvp to settle this mess is to me the only logical conclusion. Convince me otherwise please.

Raid zone pvp flagging?
Raid guilds pvp flagging each other, limited only to certain zones adjacent to raid zones?
Have guilds the option to declare war against another guild. For example, a minimum of 3 guilds independent of eachtoerh with x# of members can PvP flag another guild. (In case a guild is being scummy, then other guilds will put them in place)

I mean just consider how different things would be and how much nicer guilds could potentially treat each other. 1 guild being dicks? Well, all the smaller guild join up and take them out to teach them a lesson. It's just a different way of gaming life and sometimes I think you all don't give it a fair chance of consideration but rather just say "look at what a mess red is, therefore pvp doesn't work" - which is a flawed logic IMO.

You're forgetting how bad the EQ combat system is. There is a reason no one ever has or ever will play EQ for the PvP.

[Imago]

Real easy.

/guildwar XXX (in this case ST)

Flagged for pvp for/against anyone in that guild.

1) 1 dumbass uses it to rage against a raid force? He's the only one flagged, gets curbstomped, etc etc.
2) 100 dumbasses use it against a raid force? Might kill the raid and give another guild a chance.

This was a function on live. Also have seen Guild Champions fight for the right to raid targets on Live (not classic but dope as fuck).

Get creative with self management or get the fuck out.

[Mesocyclone]

aint nobody cares

[OuterChimp]

I blame Bladefrenzy for all of this!

[Nirgon]

Rotated content or lobbying for it was agreed to be a total violation of the UN terms and guarantee of open raid targets.

No one has broken any server rules to my knowledge. One breached player agreement led to another.

[Local]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotated content or lobbying for it was agreed to be a total violation of the UN terms and guarantee of open raid targets.

No one has broken any server rules to my knowledge. One breached player agreement led to another.

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[Vizax_Xaziv]

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Lol

[Nirgon]

They left/ended the UN entirely, not just an agreement though. They kept their promise to immediately do so. Everyone involved knew that was agreed upon, yet here we are.

I can't imagine wanting to go back to it after all I've seen and the bias but I'd be willing to have an objective convo with them about it. They have my draft for fixing the culture here, it involves everyone.