GG fizzled out. TMO & Empire can make new PnP?

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is true, and it's also why the idea of two guilds being on even footing in the endgame just isn't possible with this population

one guild will always win out a few fights, morale will be low for the other guild so people will be less inclined to log in to contest, the winning guild will get more applicants since most people coming into the raid scene want to actually raid, etc.

good guys formed with the wrong goals under the wrong leadership

I'm in GG and pretty depressed in the lack I've been able to gloat on others when killing uncontested raid mobs at odd hours. Definitely considering leaving soon, as I feel like real leaders could've motivated us to do more. If I join Empire, can you give me advice?

I want to play at all hours of the day, but I've been struggling, since I've found that I have to go to work and spend time with my family. But I know there must be other ways. Can you give me some pointers on how you are able to accomplish this feat?

[Fael]

Funny how contempter has pushing this argument for the last half decade. Only when it's with BDA on blue its against variance, here I guess it's for variance, I don't know.

Maybe for rotations ?

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by contemptor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in GG and pretty depressed in the lack I've been able to gloat on others when killing uncontested raid mobs at odd hours. Definitely considering leaving soon, as I feel like real leaders could've motivated us to do more. If I join Empire, can you give me advice?

I want to play at all hours of the day, but I've been struggling, since I've found that I have to go to work and spend time with my family. But I know there must be other ways. Can you give me some pointers on how you are able to accomplish this feat?

Should just join cuz it's the right thing to do.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is true, and it's also why the idea of two guilds being on even footing in the endgame just isn't possible with this population

one guild will always win out a few fights, morale will be low for the other guild so people will be less inclined to log in to contest, the winning guild will get more applicants since most people coming into the raid scene want to actually raid, etc.

good guys formed with the wrong goals under the wrong leadership

Good points. Especially with guilds fielding 60-100 at times on a server with what 300-400 peaks?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sustainability my man. You can't convince 40 people to contest a target at shit hours when they know they will lose or high a very high chance of losing. Maybe a few times...but I'm sure you realize this.

lol Altari... heres how it works man, if you want the tiemers pushed, you defend the target until the guild desperate for those pixles gives up, then you let timers run to normal hours.

If you think for a second that anyones going to come to a raid agreement with anyone on this server, you are gonna have a bad time. This is a greif server you idiot this isnt a rotation blue server, and it simply never will be. if thats what you're hoping to accomplish here, then I suggest you make trades back to blue while its 4:1

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol Altari... heres how it works man, if you want the tiemers pushed, you defend the target until the guild desperate for those pixles gives up, then you let timers run to normal hours.

If you think for a second that anyones going to come to a raid agreement with anyone on this server, you are gonna have a bad time. This is a greif server you idiot this isnt a rotation blue server, and it simply never will be. if thats what you're hoping to accomplish here, then I suggest you make trades back to blue while its 4:1

Your words wounded me..... you should keep posting until my eventual suicide.

[Buhbuh]

Maybe that's what happens when you're an under geared zerg that desperately needs planar clears around the clock but still has a DKP system tailored to award DKP over raid mobs only, instead of, say, awarding far more DKP for the shitty but necessary things no one wants to do in game that builds a guild up so they can contest one day.

Or naw?

[Agatha]

oh look, people not in my guild concerned about my guild, how refreshing. lol. you do you, we will do us.

later.

[Buhbuh]

It's pretty clear if your guild is made for the expressed purpose of taking down the dominant guild, things generally won't go well.

When has that ever worked except in Holocaust's case

[Vanquisher]

holo barely had any competition, we fought azrael over trak like 3 times before they flopped, just nilly 2.0