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[Joyelle]

answer it!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

answer it!

Answer what? :3

[Joyelle]

Did or did not TMO and IB use a mage to CoH in their FTE'r into the 4am (I think it was the last?) VS, when Taken or any other class R guild were not even there contesting it?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did or did not TMO and IB use a mage to CoH in their FTE'r into the 4am (I think it was the last?) VS, when Taken or any other class R guild were not even there contesting it?

i'm going to say yes just to be contentious

[Komodon]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did or did not TMO and IB use a mage to CoH in their FTE'r into the 4am (I think it was the last?) VS, when Taken or any other class R guild were not even there contesting it?

If it was an FFA spawn then yeah, we probably had a mage there. We do that with the possibility Taken or somebody else shows up with their own.

If it was a Class C spawn then no, we never use mages.

And there you go [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Komodon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was an FFA spawn then yeah, we probably had a mage there. We do that with the possibility Taken or somebody else shows up with their own.

If it was a Class C spawn then no, we never use mages.

And there you go [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's something that is so detested and you absolutely despise CotH ducking why aren't you foo tracing and just face tracking on Mages just incase big-bag taken arrives?

Edit: helpful hint, we really won't be contesting a 4 AM EST respawn. Even on a weekend.

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Komodon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was an FFA spawn then yeah, we probably had a mage there. We do that with the possibility Taken or somebody else shows up with their own.

If it was a Class C spawn then no, we never use mages.

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Finally an answer! thank you!

Well, kind of an answer. What I was asking about was if that mage CoH'd in your FTE'r or if your FTE'rs foot-raced from the zone in. Surely someone knows!
You guys are good at dodging the question at the heart of the matter. You almost had me for a split second there.

[Phats]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally an answer! thank you!

Well, kind of an answer. What I was asking about was if that mage CoH'd in your FTE'r or if your FTE'rs foot-raced from the zone in. Surely someone knows!
You guys are good at dodging the question at the heart of the matter. You almost had me for a split second there.

We used coth on our tank and got FTE and our tank got shit on and we wiped. IB came and cleaned up our usual mess and got the kill.

[Komodon]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally an answer! thank you!

Well, kind of an answer. What I was asking about was if that mage CoH'd in your FTE'r or if your FTE'rs foot-raced from the zone in. Surely someone knows!
You guys are good at dodging the question at the heart of the matter. You almost had me for a split second there.

I get you are fishing there, but in the process you are also completely overestimating the actual amount of effort/planning that goes into that tracking. Shortly before an FFA window opens somebody runs a mage over to track, sets up the link.....and that is the tracker team/characters people will log in/out of for the duration. So yeah, cothed was used (we also got the fte, but the batphone was down and nobody got it until 30 min latter. They died. Fun times for Visceral getting to explain to everybody logging in that VS was already dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]).

I will again state though that from a personal standpoint, and on a purely logistics level, i am actually an overall fan of mage tracking (my reasons why stated in the raid forum). Minus the ducking of course. But with that i also completely understand where people like Pint are coming from, and despite some people's attempts to ignore it, won't dismiss the Class C sample size offering evidence that Lazie's racing suggestion here not only works....but people by and large seem to find it a lot more enjoyable. Which ultimately trumps my own individual preference (<3 Lazie).

For the record, my overall intent in the raid forum wasn't to completely demonize Taken in this either. At least to an extent that somehow suggests Class C does not play it's own role in upping the ante high enough that it ends up discouraging smaller Class R guilds from participating, and certainly not to the extent of claiming that without Taken FFA would be "working as intended". Anybody keeping count on the overall participation level we've seen from Class R since day 1 can see it's clearly not. With or without the coth ducking.

But that just brings me to what Unbrella helped remind me of the other night, and why i'll probably choose to not bother with that thread again. Daldaen, i admire the effort here but you are ultimately overlooking the biggest factor of all. That being the people who would represent Class R as a whole and need to sign off on this type of proposal...have never shown any interest in doing so. Same as it was back when i tried to float these general ideas past them before..to this day it's all (more uncontested from Class C VS/CT/Inny for them) or nothing. Which is why if/when Chest reads this post and replies tomorrow, you'll see a lot more of the same "TMO is the devil, held the server hostage for years, ecttt" talk, and additional emphasize on why FFA on respawns is the only solution for everybody. What you probably won't and i'd be shocked to see is him doing what you are trying to do now. Spending more then a single second taking the focus off what we'll likely never agree on, and instead turning that to what we might/could. Ultimately making whether FFA spawns could exist in a much more desirable state that includes us regularly co-existing irrelevant...he simply sees no "win" to be had in that.

With that i'll say the same thing i said back when the current rules went in. Those Class R leaders fought the good fight for you guys, and despite giving up more then we wanted to give, overall i believe the server walked out for the better in the aftermath. But my god...cut the heads off those guilds for even a day after-the-fact, put Unbrella/Erati/Cucumbers/myself in a vent together, and i have zero doubt walking out of that discussion the FFA raiding game looks much different then what you see today. Starting with the death of in-game poopsocks, and the need for more then an absolute minimum amount of variance.

[arsenalpow]

Cucs is not an officer of BDA.

Also, I've worked in good faith this entire time while you're allowing Shinko to resurrect FE so they can crash the Class R rotation system. Talking out of both sides of your mouth yet again.