OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly the kind of cancerous attitude you've all been claiming you want to get rid of. This entire discussion has shifted from finding a system that everyone can live with to the casual guilds feeling like theyre in the midst of some kind of e-revolution where now THEYRE the ones who make the rules and to hell with the "oppressive hardcore guilds"

This is just not true. The TMO/FE proposal is borderline disingenous imo (you can't poopsock but we can camp out alts, AND DON'T GO NEAR VP YOU FUCKING CASUAL SCUM). I think those provisions soured a lot of people.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just not true. The TMO/FE proposal is borderline disingenous imo (you can't poopsock but we can camp out alts, AND DON'T GO NEAR VP YOU FUCKING CASUAL SCUM). I think those provisions soured a lot of people.

And just as alterations to address those concerns began being discussed everyone started raging about how shitty they felt the proposal was and demanding everyone focus on this point system or else they'll refuse to cooperate.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think they understand yet that point system will never be the majority either. People are going to have to meet in the middle. NO ONE is going to get EVERYTHING they want here.

I don't understand why people have such a hardon for this point system. Its still possible for most of the casual guilds to never see a VS, Trak, or CT kill ever again depending on the more hardcore guilds' mob priority. Especially if IB/FE ever decided to part ways amidst such a system. Also what stops players from hardcore guilds apping their lesser known alts into other guilds for additional chances at loot once their main guild is done cleaning out their priority targets? Stealin and Derubael were debating about core groups of raiders splintering off from guilds to game the system when all they really have to do is slip their alts into a guild like BDA/Taken/Divinity and invest their time in whichever guild is after the most targets on that player's personal priority list.

What if for example draco is on low priority for a lot of guilds and one guild in particular has made it one of their main focuses to get as many BCGs as possible. Why not just app a caster alt into that guild and try to score a BCG for my main eventually since my main guild isnt prioritizing that mob anymore?

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why people have such a hardon for this point system. Its still possible for most of the casual guilds to never see a VS, Trak, or CT kill ever again depending on the more hardcore guilds' mob priority. Especially if IB/FE ever decided to part ways amidst such a system. Also what stops players from hardcore guilds apping their lesser known alts into other guilds for additional chances at loot once their main guild is done cleaning out their priority targets? Stealin and Derubael were debating about core groups of raiders splintering off from guilds to game the system when all they really have to do is slip their alts into a guild like BDA/Taken/Divinity and invest their time in whichever guild is after the most targets on that player's personal priority list.

What if for example draco is on low priority for a lot of guilds and one guild in particular has made it one of their main focuses to get as many BCGs as possible. Why not just app a caster alt into that guild and try to score a BCG for my main eventually since my main guild isnt prioritizing that mob anymore?

1.) because my guild watches out for shit like that.

2.) most of the server, in fact, are not assholes.

3.) we don't care about engaging VS every week. But the server cares when you kill VS, and Trak, and Talendor, and Sev, and Gore, and Inny, and CT, and Draco, and Fay in the same week. There's the issue and my system fixes that. Pick the damn targets you need, and if you miss them better luck next week.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why people have such a hardon for this point system. Its still possible for most of the casual guilds to never see a VS, Trak, or CT kill ever again depending on the more hardcore guilds' mob priority. Especially if IB/FE ever decided to part ways amidst such a system. Also what stops players from hardcore guilds apping their lesser known alts into other guilds for additional chances at loot once their main guild is done cleaning out their priority targets? Stealin and Derubael were debating about core groups of raiders splintering off from guilds to game the system when all they really have to do is slip their alts into a guild like BDA/Taken/Divinity and invest their time in whichever guild is after the most targets on that player's personal priority list.

What if for example draco is on low priority for a lot of guilds and one guild in particular has made it one of their main focuses to get as many BCGs as possible. Why not just app a caster alt into that guild and try to score a BCG for my main eventually since my main guild isnt prioritizing that mob anymore?

All the point system will do is limit the top 2 guilds to engage mobs and give the next 2 in line more mobs. On paper it looks great but it would just be a redistribution of wealth between the current 4 guilds already killing targets weekly.

[benjay]

There was a system that achieved some success on my server back in the day for a few weeks untill the top guild simply decided to not abide by it, there was a guild rankings based on kills in the previous month, with the rule of you are only allowed to kill something once a month unless a guild within 2 spots of you is planning to contest, it worked well for people back in the day maybe someone smarter than me can modify it to the box

[Hailto]

TMO/IB/FE giving smaller guilds a week each month uncontested to attempt high value mobs and people are still complaining. Im curious what you guys actually want, do you want us to help you kill the mobs as well/lead the raids etc?

[Yinikren]

I have no issues with compromise (see my unbiased post) but I think its absolutely hilarious that TMO and FE can "cut their losses" on 25% of the mobs they would normally take to divide amongst the rest of the server, then peddle their idea as the epitome of fairness.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issues with compromise (see my unbiased post) but I think its absolutely hilarious that TMO and FE can "cut their losses" on 25% of the mobs they would normally take to divide amongst the rest of the server, then peddle their idea as the epitome of fairness.

You must have missed the part where maestro/tal/gore/draco are unavailable to us for the other 3 weeks. Or that we're going to be splitting those priority targets across 3 guilds, probably 4 once BDA or taken cleans up on the first week. I find it hard to imagine that one of those guilds wont end up killing 40%.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must have missed the part where maestro/tal/gore/draco are unavailable to us for the other 3 weeks. Or that we're going to be splitting those priority targets across 3 guilds, probably 4 once BDA or taken cleans up on the first week. I find it hard to imagine that one of those guilds wont end up killing 40%.

That's the part I giggled the most, and that was also the first order of contention when someone WHO MADE THE AGREEMENT WITH YOU decided it would probably be better to put more mobs in that pile.

I've said before, fixing the server for a week isn't fixing the server at all.

Time to go bump my own useful thread.