Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Tyym]

Rogean has already stated that majority rules and that is what will happen.

Every guild should be discussing what method it wants and then come together and voice their opinion.

IF TMO as a guild doesn't agree to it, it won't fail, instead TMO will stay raid suspended.

Basically, every guild should be figuring out what it thinks is reasonable, then come together with like minded guilds and hash out things and keep doing this until they can all come to an agreement or a vast majority can.

Rogean said we should discuss it. We are discussing it. He didn't say that we should wrap up raid targets on a silver platter and hand them to you. FE/IB & TMO will likely come to some agreement where we will give time allotments for responses to raid targets where we will not intervene and perhaps even give up 1 out of every 5 or 6 mobs. But we wont agree to a system that puts a rotation in place or coddles weaker guilds into obtaining loot. If you want to compete: unite, build alliances, track, respond and knock us off the chair. But for fuck sakes at least work for it.

Morphius

[Yinikren]

Maybe 1/6 screams monopoly. New ideas please, and don't be so angry next time.

You aren't adapting one more guild into the mix. You are adapting 4 or 5 who wish to raid and see endgame content more than once a year.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Tyym [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean said we should discuss it. We are discussing it. He didn't say that we should wrap up raid targets on a silver platter and hand them to you. FE/IB & TMO will likely come to some agreement where we will give time allotments for responses to raid targets where we will not intervene and perhaps even give up 1 out of every 5 or 6 mobs. But we wont agree to a system that puts a rotation in place or coddles weaker guilds into obtaining loot. If you want to compete: unite, build alliances, track, respond and knock us off the chair. But for fuck sakes at least work for it.

Morphius

This post pretty much embodies why we need to determine how consensus will be found on this issue. If it's a 1 person 1 vote system, then we'll end up with a server rotation. Anything in any democratic sense is not going to favor the people currently getting targets. Which is why in my previous thread I'm simply looking for an answer as to how the 'raiding guild consensus' Rogean mentioned will be found. It directly impacts discussion, or whether there is even a discussion to be had.

Are we still tracking / engaging things in seconds, rotating targets, or having the two major guilds throw the smaller guilds a bone every now and again? Because those are the only three options I'm seeing here in the grand sense. And which one will be chosen is determined 100% by CSR, because they're choosing the rules that will be enforced. And the rules that will be enforced is determined by "the raiding community" which needs to be described in further detail by Rogean or whoever is making such a decision.

[radditsu]

Ok so... lets say of 58 raids are 580 points. 220 points are alloted to all guilds...flat. if guilds like tmo and fe hit 220 that is 440 points

580-440 =140. Or 14 raids per month open without issues. They will...by definition be whatever the top decides to not go after.


HOWEVER. IF TMO/fe/ib/bda sponsors an open naggy or vox raid (10 point value) they can gain 20 points for 2 more targets per month. That way they can still kill dragons and shit.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so... lets say of 58 raids are 580 points. 220 points are alloted to all guilds...flat. if guilds like tmo and fe hit 220 that is 440 points

580-440 =140. Or 14 raids per month open without issues. They will...by definition be whatever the top decides to not go after.


HOWEVER. IF TMO/fe/ib/bda sponsors an open naggy or vox raid (10 point value) they can gain 20 points for 2 more targets per month. That way they can still kill dragons and shit.

All neat ideas and I'm sure they can be discussed further, but I just feel like we're missing a step. How does the server as a whole with no real organizational structure decide rules to propose to Rogean to be enforced?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All neat ideas and I'm sure they can be discussed further, but I just feel like we're missing a step. How does the server as a whole with no real organizational structure decide rules to propose to Rogean to be enforced?

I assume by registered mail.


Or we have a spokesman from the "families" post on the forums after whatever deal is reached. I am not privy to any guild summit so far. Make a council. Do an aim chat. Find a well liked guy to post it here. It requires some work on their part.

[radditsu]

I just like extrapolating ideas!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assume by registered mail.


Or we have a spokesman from the "families" post on the forums after whatever deal is reached. I am not privy to any guild summit so far. Make a council. Do an aim chat. Find a well liked guy to post it here. It requires some work on their part.

Then this seems like something that CSR staff should ask for to get the process started. Form the basis of discussion, inform them that the decision of that council is binding and begin discussion.

[radditsu]

I assume that is what rogean basically said in your thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assume that is what rogean basically said in your thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent. Then we just wait for details.

edit: But seriously, this does make me want to find the post referring to that there would never be a GM enforced rotation on this server. It appears times have changed ^_^ Can't remember if it was nilbog sirken or rogean, though. Was one of the three.