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[Messianic]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.

[Tasslehofp99]

When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas ya'll

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes Alarti, if you are going to make a claim I'm going to ask you to back up said claim with data. That's how these things work. Additionally, let's not breeze past the fact that Amelinda and Tiggles were e-humping at the time the SEQ sweep came down which would have given TMO warning that the hammer was coming down. Whether she sounded the alarm or not it stands to reason that the improper relationship could have possibly benefited your guild.

http://pastebin.com/Jbrzfybb

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[Ungriim]

I wonder how many accounts they logged on were bought with that duped plat and therefore perpetuated TMOs raid presence?

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you guys are too busy whining about how unfair that is to see WHY thats happening. You guys seriously think your terrible reputation is just a result of people being "jelly of your pixels" or some shit. If you want to see an example of why people think you're all scum just go take a look at Eccezan's post history over the past day or two. "I dont approve of what my guildmates do!" is not a valid defense, staying quiet and allowing your guildmates and officers to make you all look like a bunch of shitstains makes you just as responsible for your negative image.

What happened to when TMO was trying to act like some kind of white knights protecting the server? All that shit about how you'd "never let the sleeper be woken" so those dirty casuals you despise so much would be able to get primals some day (on a date and time of your choosing of course since you feel like you should get to decide who does or doesn't get to kill raid content.)

Did you guys forget which mask you were trying to put on or does the leadership really have so little control over their members that they couldn't rein in the constant shit talk against even guilds like BDA for daring to try to kill classic content that you zerg with your geared up 52 alts? God forbid a guild dare to take a fucking Vox kill off of you 4 years after server release.

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

[Dirkus]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

The way they are handling this whole situation is really helping.

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s.

Also brah - Divinity is guild #18. IB is #28. Europa is #29. DA was like 46 if I remember right. Your guild # is....




































183.

Stop pretending like youre one of the good'ole boys.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.

Because they didnt handle it like this, it makes them look more guilty

[Loke]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

Yes, but if this happened to another guild I can tell you right now TMO would be in here screaming for them all to be perma-banned. How do I know? Because that is exactly what they did for the MQ/SEQ ban. They didn't care whether one guildy logged on another's account and used MQ/SEQ, the vast majority of them said it was guilt by association. People act like this is unprecedented, but it isn't. GMs listed the number of people suspended from each guild during the SEQ/MQ ban as well as released a list of all the banned accounts (see Alarti's post). This isn't the GMs picking on TMO, it is them naming and shaming the guild that was overwhelmingly associated with the exploiting, as has been done in the past.

TMO has had no sympathy for players who got caught up in things like this in the past, and have shown no remorse for the role they have played in this matter, so I think the response thus far has been fairly appropriate.

[Pheer]

TMO accounts get banned for a cheater being allowed to log into them - Innocent angels who are the victims of a cold and heartless world

Anyone else's account banned because someone using SEQ or MQ logged onto it and got the account flagged - Scum that should be cleaned off the server and have their name mentioned in every forumquest thread related to cheating for the next decade