Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Vaildez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nag/Vox/Hate/Fear. This was happening while Kunark was still fairly new.

That's 2nd tier content. The only reason it was puggable was because the top guilds decided they didn't want to kill it.

People have a crystal ball here, they know that CoFs and stuff are going to hold their value forever in the time capsule of project1999. Don't count on pugging Nag/Vox anytime soon.

[Picked]

This is probably going off topic. But it pertains to the P99 raiding scene. I play this emu because it's fun. It is what captured and enamored me many years ago. When I heard about this server all I could think about was man this gives me a chance to see VP finally (since I wasn't able too the first time) I can raid NToV, Dain, AoW, and many other raid mobs in current expansion gear (instead of waiting until the next expansion was out and nobody wanted it anymore). Not all of us have or had the luxury of working from home. Being bat phoned. Spending hours logged in waiting on a spawn while doing something else.

And as I sit here pondering the future, it looks as if it's going to be a repeat. Which I am fine with. I enjoyed EQ for years without seeing that stuff. And I realize why the upper echelon of guilds do what they do. They want to have all the nice gear to themselves that way they don't have to compete with anyone when Velious comes out. They want free range of that gear too. And maybe, if a guild is lucky they will catch these elites working on Velious stuff when VP is popped and finally get a chance. But seeing as how old world dragons and raid zones are still highly contested years after they were released on P99 that doesn't appear to be the case.

I do admire the dedication these guilds put in to keep things this way. I have always been the type of person that says if you want something bad enough do what you have to do to get it. But this is just a game in the end and we all want to enjoy it. And this server is very popular because people want to do the things they never got to. Or they want to do the things they enjoyed so much the first time around.

I just find it disturbing that even after months and years of farming the same raid mobs these upper echelon guilds feel the need to train another guild while trying to engage Ragefire, or CT.

[Luchino]

Grats Taken on Inny kill. They actually did what it takes (camping out/tracking). They were also tracking draco. #2 guild on server imo.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Picked [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And as I sit here pondering the future, it looks as if it's going to be a repeat.

You know the first thing I said in this thread was that it's amazing how people come to this server knowing what it's all about but complain about it anyway.

You're right it is going to be a repeat. That's because that is the INTENTION of this server, to repeat that era. I'm in the same boat as you man, I don't have the time to invest to hang with TMO right now. Maybe never will. But I knew that going in, and I don't see how anyone could think things would be different.

Imagine for a moment that the top tier content guilds decided they've had enough loots and started letting other people kill it. Say goodbye to the majority of the high level population of the server than I guess...

[Picked]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know the first thing I said in this thread was that it's amazing how people come to this server knowing what it's all about but complain about it anyway.

You're right it is going to be a repeat. That's because that is the INTENTION of this server, to repeat that era. I'm in the same boat as you man, I don't have the time to invest to hang with TMO right now. Maybe never will. But I knew that going in, and I don't see how anyone could think things would be different.

Imagine for a moment that the top tier content guilds decided they've had enough loots and started letting other people kill it. Say goodbye to the majority of the high level population of the server than I guess...

Oh I agree completely. And like I said I admire their dedication, and am not complaining about it. Just voicing an opinion on the matter at hand. I wonder if in the future the people in charge would be willing to roll a new server where there was guild rotation, and cooperation so the people who want to accomplish these things without being on 24/7 are able to do so.

[Faisca]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know the first thing I said in this thread was that it's amazing how people come to this server knowing what it's all about but complain about it anyway.

You're right it is going to be a repeat. That's because that is the INTENTION of this server, to repeat that era. I'm in the same boat as you man, I don't have the time to invest to hang with TMO right now. Maybe never will. But I knew that going in, and I don't see how anyone could think things would be different.

Imagine for a moment that the top tier content guilds decided they've had enough loots and started letting other people kill it. Say goodbye to the majority of the high level population of the server than I guess...

And how many players has this server said goodbye to, who have given up because they have burned out or because they were not interested to raid under these conditions in the first place? Many, many more than those.

Yes, they could go play in a different server, but those other servers either aren’t classic or are so heavily customized they’re just not appealing. To relive classic EQ experience this is the server to be.

And no, this server wasn’t built with the intention of bringing the negative aspects of classic EQ back again, and even if it was, it was only for the first 8 months of Kunark. After that it’s not a repeat. It’s a whole new game, and doesn’t have to be like this.

The devs have done an amazing job creating this server, but there is so much they can do. The rest is up to the community, and unfortunately the dominant forces in the community, because they obviously have vested interests in letting things stay as they are, don’t let this server be a pleasant experience for everyone.

The sad thing is this is not even pleasant to them, but because this is their job, it’s ok that it’s not pleasant. It’s a job and they need to protect it any way they can.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Faisca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how many players has this server said goodbye to, who have given up because they have burned out or because they were not interested to raid under these conditions in the first place? Many, many more than those.

Yes, they could go play in a different server, but those other servers either aren’t classic or are so heavily customized they’re just not appealing. To relive classic EQ experience this is the server to be.

And no, this server wasn’t built with the intention of bringing the negative aspects of classic EQ back again, and even if it was, it was only for the first 8 months of Kunark. After that it’s not a repeat. It’s a whole new game, and doesn’t have to be like this.

The devs have done an amazing job creating this server, but there is so much they can do. The rest is up to the community, and unfortunately the dominant forces in the community, because they obviously have vested interests in letting things stay as they are, don’t let this server be a pleasant experience for everyone.

The sad thing is this is not even pleasant to them, but because this is their job, it’s ok that it’s not pleasant. It’s a job and they need to protect it any way they can.

this server was amde to replicate classic EQ. and its what is doing.no one forced those players to raid . so if they quit was his choice.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Faisca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how many players has this server said goodbye to, who have given up because they have burned out or because they were not interested to raid under these conditions in the first place? Many, many more than those.

Yes, they could go play in a different server, but those other servers either aren’t classic or are so heavily customized they’re just not appealing. To relive classic EQ experience this is the server to be.

And no, this server wasn’t built with the intention of bringing the negative aspects of classic EQ back again, and even if it was, it was only for the first 8 months of Kunark. After that it’s not a repeat. It’s a whole new game, and doesn’t have to be like this.

The devs have done an amazing job creating this server, but there is so much they can do. The rest is up to the community, and unfortunately the dominant forces in the community, because they obviously have vested interests in letting things stay as they are, don’t let this server be a pleasant experience for everyone.

The sad thing is this is not even pleasant to them, but because this is their job, it’s ok that it’s not pleasant. It’s a job and they need to protect it any way they can.

It is a much better "business" decision to cater to your more loyal customers (people who play more). A large majority of the casual player base doesn't give two shits TMO monopolizes content either.

I don't know what you expect the community to do. You have the have and have nots, just like any aspect of life. People who want to raid either are in TMO, want to be in TMO or don't want to join TMO for some reason or another. You have 3 choices at that point, apply to TMO, quit the game/stop trying to raid or compete with them. Despite what people say they don't have any advantage over anyone else except the inertia they've built up being the top guild on the server.

I guess my point is...too bad? I don't know how else to say it. Either beat them, join them, or quit - but complaining that TMO "won the game" fair and square and that makes you sad is just sort of lame.

[Tiddlywinks]

Originally Posted by Vaildez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Their definitely wasn't batphoning and Raid targets dropping within 5 min of spawning on my server. I think that's a product of being in Kunark so long that people are so damn geared. There were also plenty of PUGs that raided shit which could never happen here with how quickly targets are killed.

There wasn't 4 day variances on your server? Gadzooks.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There wasn't 4 day variances on your server? Gadzooks.

and euro raider guilds ,p