Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Stasis01]

The natural progression for any sane person would be to stop logging in as much when you have nothing left to accomplish. But for some, they somehow find the motivation to recruit and keep doing the same boring raids, and noone else will

I don't blame them for not wanting to split up, who would want to face such cave dwellers.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

Until the day that there is a rift inside the guild that takes enough poopsockers to balance the server I don't see this server ever being a highly contested box, it just won't be and I'm afraid the pixel pull is strong enough to ever allow that to happen. Hard coded teams might be fun but as others have alluded to, 85% of the people in Nihilum are determined enough to either switch to an alt or reroll to all be part of the same team again.

If we have learned anything in 2 years of R99 it would be that we have a limited population of players, all the hardcore types for the most part gravitate towards Nihilum especially if there is no other alternative. Hard codes teams is a great idea but I fear it may be too late to implement and would require a wipe which we know won't happen. Trust me, not everybody is Nihilum is content with how the box is right now. I have not a pixel to gain on Thrilla and yet not a viable target to cast on in PvP, it is as good as worthless.

Thrilla spitting some truths here

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

No.

People said the same thing on Blue when Kunark was released that Kunark would be the great equalizer. That now other non-#1 guilds would be able to raid Classic content since the #1 would be preoccupied with Kunark.

TMO still poopsocks everything in site, and so will Nihilum. When you have eight level 60 alts fully geared, raid buffed, and parked on every dragon.. It's not gonna matter how much more content is introduced to spread things thinner, because there's plenty to go around and these people do not have jobs, girlfriends, or social lives.

The rest of your post is true.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No.

People said the same thing on Blue when Kunark was released that Kunark would be the great equalizer. That now other non-#1 guilds would be able to raid Classic content since the #1 would be preoccupied with Kunark.

TMO still poopsocks everything in site, and so will Nihilum. When you have eight level 60 alts fully geared, raid buffed, and parked on every dragon.. It's not gonna matter how much more content is introduced to spread things thinner, because there's plenty to go around and these people do not have jobs, girlfriends, or social lives.

The rest of your post is true.

Kunark is entirely different than Velious. Kunark gives you VS / 3 outdoor dragons / trak / and VP as your raid content, with the 3 outdoor dragons dropping mainly classic vox/naggy loot with a couple of "new" items sprinkled in. Velious gives you Tormax/Dain/Yelinak/AoW/Statute/Vindi/NToV/EToV/Zlandicar/WW Dragons/Ring War/Shawl/Armor Farms/Gem Farms/Sleepers/Velektor/PoG/PoM/Lodizal/Wuoshi/Kelok. It's not even close.

[SamwiseRed]

pras, renewed hope that one day well see a box with 3-4 competiting guilds like it was in classic.

his response kinda makes me want to play oddly. too bad new game comes out friday or i mite actually log on [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone else down for ff14?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pras, renewed hope that one day well see a box with 3-4 competiting guilds like it was in classic.

his response kinda makes me want to play oddly. too bad new game comes out friday or i mite actually log on [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone else down for ff14?

Here's the issue bro, 3-4 competing guilds isn't classic. Again, the vast majority of servers had one or two, but again mostly one, guild monopolizing 85-90% of all end game content. That's classic, and there's really not a single rule change that can be made that will ever stop it. You might be able to bring that number down to 70% or 65% with a massive amount of custom changes, but you'll never be able to have 3-4 guilds all fighting over content with no clear victor. I could write a 10 page essay explaining the reasons as to why not, but I'll spare everyone that. Suffice it to say, there's just not enough content in classic EQ, and if people are habitually losing they will switch to the team that's winning.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the issue bro, 3-4 competing guilds isn't classic. Again, the vast majority of servers had one or two, but again mostly one, guild monopolizing 85-90% of all end game content. That's classic, and there's really not a single rule change that can be made that will ever stop it. You might be able to bring that number down to 70% or 65% with a massive amount of custom changes, but you'll never be able to have 3-4 guilds all fighting over content with no clear victor. I could write a 10 page essay explaining the reasons as to why not, but I'll spare everyone that. Suffice it to say, there's just not enough content in classic EQ, and if people are habitually losing they will switch to the team that's winning.

Thats what it boils down to. Theres no magic formula. Shits classic.

[SamwiseRed]

luk at dis pve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ub3og-QK4Kg

dungeons in ff14

pras

[heartbrand]

Having said that, I do believe Velious will open up opportunities for a second guild here to thrive. They may never truly "compete" for ntov and shit but they will have plenty of content to keep their members engaged and what not. The talks of Nihilum getting every single target in Velious seem overblown to me, there's just too many targets across too many zones that take too long to kill and clear to for Nihilum to get every single one. If the other guild is smart, and yes on red99 that's a big if, they should be able to get some stuff, at the very least multiple Dain's via the shawl turn in.

[Nirgon]

Look Smedy, the pixels are wearing off. They're returning to just normal nerd people now.

Relax, we are getting close to done on Kunark/Classic. Real close.