Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We already went above and beyond the call of duty when we gave you those parses. It showed mage DPS being higher than shaman DPS, and it was recorded in a group. Troxx wasn't trolling you, and you spat in his face.

Any intelligent troll would have bowed out of this thread at that point, but you continue in the name of your ego.

I also spent a lot of time recording my videos, parsing, providing the logs, and showing the math. You are the one who keeps spitting in my face by claiming it is all invalid for literally no reason.

I am sorry, but you get no sympathy as a troll. Troxx started insulting me as early as page 21 when he didn't like what I had to say. He is no saint here.

Honestly the only wounded pride is from yourself. You are so angry you can't help but troll.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also spent a lot of time recording my videos, parsing, providing the logs, and showing the math. You are the one who keeps spitting in my face by claiming it is all invalid for literally no reason.

I am sorry, but you get no sympathy as a troll. Troxx started insulting me as early as page 21 when he didn't like what I had to say. He is no saint here.

Honestly the only wounded pride is from yourself. You are so angry you can't help but troll.

Yikes

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also spent a lot of time recording my videos, parsing, providing the logs, and showing the math. You are the one who keeps spitting in my face by claiming it is all invalid for literally no reason.

No, not "for no reason" - for the reason that has been stated to you mulitple times: the data you have provided is not relevant. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry, but you get no sympathy as a troll. Troxx started insulting me as early as page 21. He is no saint either.

Your apology is as irrelevant as the solo Shaman data you have - laughably - continued to provide & seemingly attempted to argue for the relevance of (oh and your opinion that Troxx is no saint; which is simply your opinion) hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly the only wounded pride is from yourself. You are so angry you can't help but troll.

You have provided zero evidence to support the claim of wounded pride in the above Quote, therefore it is unsubstantiated (and probably false). Your post also seems to indicate that you believe that you have knowledge of and can therefore make objective claims about others' feelings, such as that they are "so angry they can't help but troll". You have provided zero evidence to support this implication, therefore, it is simply unsubstantiated (and probably false).

You have - still - not provided the definition that you are using for "troll" - can you please provide it for the sake of civil discussion? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gloomlord]

But you can't do all that in a group? Why not?

Is it because you know you're wrong?

"Literally no reason"? You honestly believe that?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you can't do all that in a group? Why not?

Is it because you know you're wrong?

"Literally no reason"? You honestly believe that?

Simple. I have already provided the necessary data, and shown matching math.

I am not going to let you spread the false information that DPS cannot be parsed solo.

It's just nonsense.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simple. I have already provided the necessary data, and shown matching math.

I am not going to let you spread the false information that DPS cannot be parsed solo.

It's just nonsense.

Isn't a parse done from solo, then applied to a group situation, not false information itself?

It's patently unfair, even.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't a parse done from solo, then applied to a group situation, not false information itself?

It's patently unfair, even.

No, because mob HP/AC/Resists do not change when you group and when you solo.

I really don't know where you think the difference is here lol. You have yet to properly explain it. You just keep claiming "the difference is out there".

If your group members are causing you to lose DPS, such as your group keeps getting your pet killed, that is not a valid indicator of class DPS.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because mob HP/AC/Resists do not change when you group and when you solo.

I really don't know where you think the difference is here lol. You have yet to properly explain it. You just keep claiming "the difference is out there".

If your group members are causing you to lose DPS, such as your group keeps getting your pet killed, that is not a valid indicator of class DPS.

The data simply only needs to be an indicator of the actual performance / DPS performed in the relevant conext/scenario/environment in order to be a valid indicator of the actual performance / the actual amount of DPS they performed in the relevant context/scenario/environment.

How much DPS a class can do with other players - and their effect ("skew") on the DPS ("data") - removed from the equation (such as parses/data obtained Solo - not in a group), would simply be irrelevant to this discussion - which, again - is about the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" - and therefore simply - specifically, particularly - not about how much DPS a player or class can do with other players - and their effect ("skew") on the DPS ("data") - removed from the equation. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simple. I have already provided the necessary data, and shown matching math.

I am not going to let you spread the false information that DPS cannot be parsed solo.

It's just nonsense.

The above Quote is simply an example of you sharing that it is your opinion that you have "provided the necessary data" - despite the irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - that the data which you are referring to when you make this claim is data which is irrelevant to to the discussion, as been pointed out and explained in detail to you multiple times by multiple posters, including myself.

In the above Quote you appear to attempt to claim that others are attempting to "spread false information that DPS cannot be parsed solo" which is simply an example of you creating a strawman to argue against. You have provided zero evidence of others' (or any particular/specific other) making that particular/specific claim, thus it is an unsubstantiated claim (and probably false) in addition to being a strawman that you have built.

You have not provided the definition that you are using for "nonsense" - can you please provide that for the sake of civil discussion? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"argument" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[Gloomlord]

I mean, we've already explained it. Time and time again. You're outright lying here.

You're just a troll, DSM.